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Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by wantsome
I've been symptom free for over 10 years. I still have access to guns. If I wanted to kill someone I'd use a baseball bat.
You may be symptom free, but you are not cured. If you wanted to kill someone with a baseball bat it would be much much harder than shooting them.
That difference is important to me.
I know reality I didn't always have schizophrenia. Onset of the illness started when I was 17. I didn't get diagnosed until I was 20. It took me 3 or 4 years to recover. I'm more sound mind now then most people I know without schizophrenia. I haven't had hallucinations or delusions in over 12 years. My medication has been cut down to almost nothing. I only take one med and it's a very low dose.
Originally posted by glassspider
reply to post by Asktheanimals
where would you draw the line out of interest, if you think somebody who has paranoid Schizophrenia who has had to be forcibly hospitalised in the past should be given a gun do you think everybody should be able to get one or are there certain groups that you would refuse if the decision was yours,
we also only have the OP's word that he is symptom free and as has already been discussed the very nature of paranoid Schizophrenia means that you can't make that type of judgement call for yourself? not trying to argue with you but i am interested to know if and where you would draw the line. in fairness the speeding comment would be enough for me to say perhaps your not responsible enough for a deadly weapon.
Originally posted by wantsome
I know reality I didn't always have schizophrenia. Onset of the illness started when I was 17. I didn't get diagnosed until I was 20. It took me 3 or 4 years to recover. I'm more sound mind now then most people I know without schizophrenia. I haven't had hallucinations or delusions in over 12 years. My medication has been cut down to almost nothing. I only take one med and it's a very low dose.
Originally posted by 369821
reply to post by projectvxn
Incorrect. Some states do not care about mental health status. And usually a gun shop only has your criminal history run, and nothing else. Especially with the current patients rights/privacy laws.
Supervision? I''m a grown ass man I know what I'm doing. Don't read me the riot act about delusions either I know what they are quite well. I have enough insight to know when I had them and when I don't. I've seen religious people with more delusions then me.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by wantsome
I know reality I didn't always have schizophrenia. Onset of the illness started when I was 17. I didn't get diagnosed until I was 20. It took me 3 or 4 years to recover. I'm more sound mind now then most people I know without schizophrenia. I haven't had hallucinations or delusions in over 12 years. My medication has been cut down to almost nothing. I only take one med and it's a very low dose.
Nobody is impugning you personally here. The problem is that delusions inherently are not something you can easily detect. Paranoia and the feeling of personal infringement are common in schizophrenic episodes. It's a genuine illness so please don't think anyone is saying you are being dishonest.
Why not work out a reasonable solution that obeys the law? If you are not permitted firearms, then arrange to go hunting with someone who is permitted and who can supervise your use of them?
What do you know about mental health problems? Not every body with mental health issues is a James Holmes.
Originally posted by projectvxn
Originally posted by 369821
reply to post by projectvxn
Incorrect. Some states do not care about mental health status. And usually a gun shop only has your criminal history run, and nothing else. Especially with the current patients rights/privacy laws.
Not so. NICS is a federal system nearly all states participate in. The law that governs the NICS requires you to be of sound mental health. You are however correct to say that current law prohibits the disclosure of mental health records for a background check to purchase a firearm. That is a problem I think needs to be addressed because I don't want the OP or anyone else with severe mental problems to be able to purchase firearms at all.
Originally posted by wantsome
What do you know about mental health problems? Not every body with mental health issues is a James Holmes.
Originally posted by projectvxn
Originally posted by 369821
reply to post by projectvxn
Incorrect. Some states do not care about mental health status. And usually a gun shop only has your criminal history run, and nothing else. Especially with the current patients rights/privacy laws.
Not so. NICS is a federal system nearly all states participate in. The law that governs the NICS requires you to be of sound mental health. You are however correct to say that current law prohibits the disclosure of mental health records for a background check to purchase a firearm. That is a problem I think needs to be addressed because I don't want the OP or anyone else with severe mental problems to be able to purchase firearms at all.