Chemtrails Secret Confirmed by a Senior Air Traffic Control Manager for the (FAA)

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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
The contrails last a lot longer, they are in the sky for hours. They used to dissipate in ten minutes before. To deny this is happening is ignorant, anyone can see it even if their awareness is not so great.

What's ignorant is claiming that contrails would dissipate in ten minutes, despite the wealth of information and studies which prove otherwise. Obviously there are far more of them now, with the reasons having been repeated ad nauseum on here many times before.


Originally posted by rickymouse
You can add salt water to the exhaust and create clouds. They use water injection in airforce jets after the engine to increase thrust.

Water injection is only used in some aircraft (usually military) as a method of increasing thrust momentarily. It is only run momentarily as water is heavy, and is impractical to use as a constant propulsion method. It also causes the fuel to burn less efficiently, which can sometimes cause smoke to come from the engines. This would make it entirely impractical to use as a method to make extensive cloud formation (that is if it could actually create a cloud in the first place).


Originally posted by rickymouse
They could probably put a certain wax or deicing compound on the wings and accomplish cloud making. They could also adjust the frequency of the sound or adjust the shape of the wings or engine to accomplish this.

Do you really think changing sound frequency is going to create clouds? Would you care to explain that one? Also, changing the shape of the wings could slightly increase aerodynamic contrails (cloud formation) but these would still require the exact same condition for contrail persistence, such as very low temperature and high relative humidity (supersaturated with respect to ice), meaning it can't simply create clouds.

It seems you're just listing a bunch of random things, then somehow using them as evidence that chemtrails exist. I prefer to look at the evidence to judge a theory, instead of just fabricating evidence to give credence to a theory.




posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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They still can't prove why hot water freeze faster than cold water yet they want to f*** with nature and modify weather... I wonder if they'll look their kids in the eyes the same the day they will realize they killed the planet for everyone...



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
Like I said to someone else, explain to me why such a higher percentage of jets have persistent contrails. I'm putting you into a position to tell me why something I see with my own eyes is not true. My IQ was tested at 165 so it better be be a reasonable explanation.

It's interesting that you demand such high expectations of proof from others, yet you're quite willing to promote false information as fact. I would expect better from someone with such immense intelligence as yourself


First off, we have to examine what you've claimed here. Saying that "such a higher percentage of jets have persistent contrails" is different from saying 'there are more persistent contrails' which is a common observation. To explain the latter, it is quite simple. There are far, far more planes flying now than there were 50 years ago. They fly further, and to far more locations, meaning more contrails in places that may not have got them. That is just common sense.

Regarding the proposed significant increased percentage, this is a lot more difficult to ascertain from simply observing the sky. Unless you watch the sky all day with a good pair of binoculars, you certainly aren't going to notice every plane that flies in the sky. It is very difficult to spot an airliner at 35,000 feet when they're not leaving an obvious trail. This leads to the logical conclusion that you would notice far more planes in the sky on days when conditions support contrail formation, even if the exact same number of planes are flying. This means that there might not be as high an increase in the percentage of jets leaving persistent trails as it seems from simple observations.

But indeed, there is a reason to explain an increase in the percentage of jets leaving persistent trails. And the answer lies in the type of engines being used (this has been mentioned already, but I will expand on that here). Originally jet aircraft used turbojet engines for propulsion. Later, these were replaced by low-bypass turbofan engines which divert some air around the combustion core of the engine. This made them more efficient, and engines are becoming increasingly more efficient with higher bypass ratios. High-bypass ratio jet engines allow for more contrails to form over a wider range of atmospheric conditions.


Bypass ratios of turbofan aircraft engines have increased over the past 20 years. This has icreased fuel efficiency and reduced engine noise. Increasing the bypass ratio of turbofan engines also has the effect of increasing the propulsive efficiency of the aircraft.

Higher bypass ratios have led to cooler exhaust temperatures, which in turn lowers the threshold temperatures for contrail formation. The overall effect of this is that contrails form at higher ambient temperatures for more efficient engines because a smaller fraction of the combustion heat is released into the plume and causes higher relative humidities.
Source

Experiments have proven this to be true. This study set out to determine the "contrail factor", which is the ratio of water vapor to enthalpy added by combustion to the exhaust plume from an aircraft engine. It is the key parameter determining the highest temperature at which contrails will form behind a particular engine on a particular aircraft. This was shown by both calculations, and observations.

The computed contrail factors range from 0.030 to 0.053 g¢ kg¡ 1±C¡ 1 for the low-bypass engine and from 0.038 to 0.090 g¢ kg¡ 1±C¡ 1 for the high-bypass engine

Recent observations using two aircraft, one with older, low-bypass engines and the other with newer, high-bypass engines12 show that engine/aircraft systems operating at higher overall propulsion effciency indeed have higher contrail factors and higher threshold temperatures for contrail formation.
Contrail Formation and Propulsion Efficiency (large pdf)

There is far more information out there to explain a perceived increase in contrails, and they don't require 'chemtrails' to prove it. With the increasing use of the ever increasing bypass ratios on engines such as those on the B787, B737-MAX, A350 and A320-NEO, we will probably see an increase in contrail formation in the future.

Hopefully I have sufficiently satisfied your IQ in this explanation of why this doesn't in any way prove that there are chemtrails.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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Hmm, if a person stays indoors for days, maybe even weeks at a time. Then goes out on the days they are spraying, comes back with a headache that lasts for days as well as a sudden upper respiratory thick cough, it'll be hard to convince them it wasn't because of the chemtrails from that week. Especially when they are not normally prone to just "getting sick" in an instant or having "severe allergies" develop in an instant either.

Anyone that claims to "watch chemtrails" might also notice that they spray in the path of the sun or directly in front of it when it's High in the sky.

There are many articles on the many articles Interweb that explain chemtrails as an effort to protect us; to put it in the most basic terms; because our ozone/atmosphere is not providing enough protection from the solar doom.....it is rather, ironic since the chemicals have side effects for those below. The irony Is similar to growing gmo crops. Sure there's a drought and people need food...but it eventually kills you anyway...


Believe what you want to.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by Curious and Concerned
 


I just grabbed an article for evidence, Maybe I should have investigated it more. I believe there is cloud manipulation going on and I would be disappointed if the government wasn't trying to test how to repair what we have screwed up. I see the difference in the exhaust contrails and there has to be a reason. Like I said to someone else, explain to me why such a higher percentage of jets have persistent contrails. I'm putting you into a position to tell me why something I see with my own eyes is not true. My IQ was tested at 165 so it better be be a reasonable explanation.



Your IQ has nothing to do with the fact that you are still prone to errors of perception and judgement like all humans. You can still be tricked by an optical illusion regardless of IQ - well there are similar illusions that take place in cognition just due to the fact that our brains have evolved to deal with information and turn it to our immediate advantage in largely the same way over many generations. For more information, see the website youarenotsosmart.com.

As to there being more contrails that last longer, wouldn't it have something to do with the leap in the amount of airtraffic at any given time, and the improvements in engines that let them fly higher, where contrails are prone to last longer? Your high IQ should be able to see a correlation that might explain the phenomena you're seeing. It does satisfactorily explain the phenomena without having to theorise a vast and resource-hungry conspiracy of which there is no evidence, if a basic level of scientific and reading comprehension is maintained. All the evidence for any chemtrail conspiracy fails when that basic comprehension is practised.

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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Hmm, if a person stays indoors for days, maybe even weeks at a time. Then goes out on the days they are spraying, comes back with a headache that lasts for days as well as a sudden upper respiratory thick cough, it'll be hard to convince them it wasn't because of the chemtrails from that week.

I feel bad for someone who stays inside for weeks at a time

But even if they did, it could be a huge number of things in the outside environment which could cause headaches, especially local ground based pollution such as vehicle exhaust (which is far more concentrated than aircraft exhaust), factory and industrial emmissions, dust or pollen (especially this one, anyone who gets hayfever could attest to this), or even simply increased exposure to sun light. If they want to jump to the conclusion that it must be those trails in the sky, they may be right. But I would consider it far more likely to be caused by other factors such as those listed above.


Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Anyone that claims to "watch chemtrails" might also notice that they spray in the path of the sun or directly in front of it when it's High in the sky.

Sigh. Not this argument again. Let me ask you, if a contrail is directly obscuring the sun, do you think it is obscuring the sun for someone else 50 miles away? That should give an explanation as to why this is an absurd reason to believe in chemtrails. But as you said, you believe what you want to.


Originally posted by LightWarrior11
There are many articles on the many articles Interweb that explain chemtrails as an effort to protect us

And just like the article posted in this thread, many of them contain false information which only creates fear where it is not warranted. It is no suprise that most of these sites are also advertising or trying to sell you something. An open mind and investigating for yourself can give you a much better observation than simply accepting an article as fact without verifying it's claims.
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Anyone that claims to "watch chemtrails" might also notice that they spray in the path of the sun or directly in front of it when it's High in the sky.

The relation of the trails to the “path of the sun” is strictly from your perspective on the ground, its an optical illusion. If you drove five/ten miles up the road, that contrail that was covering the path of the sun, wouldn't be from that perspective.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:51 AM
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Okay, that's starting to get weird.

I guess great minds think alike.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
Okay, that's starting to get weird.

I guess great minds think alike.


Touche


No doubt someone will claim that we are the disinfo agents though (despite the obvious disinfo from others), for daring to question someones chemtrail belief. Such is life on ATS.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by Curious and Concerned
 


I just grabbed an article for evidence, Maybe I should have investigated it more. I believe there is cloud manipulation going on and I would be disappointed if the government wasn't trying to test how to repair what we have screwed up. I see the difference in the exhaust contrails and there has to be a reason. Like I said to someone else, explain to me why such a higher percentage of jets have persistent contrails. I'm putting you into a position to tell me why something I see with my own eyes is not true. My IQ was tested at 165 so it better be be a reasonable explanation.


So why is my previous explanation about turboprop and jet planes being replaced by aircraft with hbpr engines unacceptable to you?



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Well, that is the first article I have seen here that explains why this is occurring. It even sounds logical. People always try to deny something without adequately explaining their reason. The fact is that the contrails are bigger and are longer lasting and it appears to be caused by engine design. If in fact this is the case than the engines automatically create conditions to reflect the sunlight without needing chemicals. It is still possible that the fuel has been modified to create contrails also but it would actually be to increase thrust and the cloud formation would be a secondary benefit. When a jet breaks the sound barrior it makes a cloud sometimes. Sound forms the cloud so frequency can also form clouds. I have no way to test this but have read articles that address this over the years.

I know that there are very intelligent people working for these companies and if the government wanted jets to emit larger contrails to deflect solar activity they could change something to accomplish this. Like I said, I am not afraid of contrails or technically chemtrails because chemistry makes up contrails as it does clouds. Killing two birds with one stone is always preferred. I think the health problems people are experiencing is coming from something else myself and always have thought that. New chemicals are being used to fight fires everywhere and these are in the air. The amount of plastic in a house that burns somewhere has sharply increased and can cause all sorts of asthma like symptoms in people miles away. The health problems could have many causes and may just be coincidence. People often pick on the most obvious thing they can see and focus on that.
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Anyone that claims to "watch chemtrails" might also notice that they spray in the path of the sun or directly in front of it when it's High in the sky.



You are damn skippy! When it's high noon where I am, it had better be high noon every damn where in the world! Don't try to dazzle me with your fancy "time zone" magic and round earth fantasy talk! I know what I see!
It's the chemtrails! They spray them at high noon!


Bwhahahahhahahahahahahah!

and don't try to change my mind! My IQ was tested at well over 47!
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Anyone that claims to "watch chemtrails" might also notice that they spray in the path of the sun or directly in front of it when it's High in the sky.

You should consider the fact that even a regular cloud in the sky blocking the sun from my perspective does NOT block the Sun from the perspective of someone about a mile or two away from me (i.e., a cloud could be making shade for me, but not making shade two miles away).



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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I agree with this post. My main study is health and the present changes in diet is causing problems, some which can effect our ability to go out into the heat and sun light. the present changes include foods that calm us and these changes can cause induced porphyric symptoms. One of this is being allergic to sunlight. Eating foods that contain goitrogens can cause a lowering of Iodine being properly utilized by the body and can cause a large amount of symptoms. Eating healthy can cause problems because we are not all designed to eat what they say i healthy. If we don't have enough Iodine being used properly than we can't cool and since the liver and skin share the same stem cells, anything that restricts the liver function may also effect the skins function. It is a possible reason for what is being observed. If people get allergic to sunlight they will stay inside more.

The two phenomenon may not be related at all, but as I said in a past post, people may be assuming they are related. There are too many changes occurring too fast, and even our food is being genetically modified. There is no way to know completely what is happening. I need to evaluate everything to figure how come I am seeing such an increase in cancer and other illnesses, contrails/chemtrails being one of the things. I still cannot be absolutely sure that chemtrails are not being sprayed and will not exclude them from observation. I just have seen an adequate explanation for what I have observed.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Probably because I did not see it



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by GoKill
The flood gates have been open...... Get used to it, dis-info minions....

minion
n minion [ˈminjən]
a slave-like follower or employee
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It started in the winter of 1998. Sky-obscuring "chemtrails" have been observed by thousands of eyewitnesses–including pilots, police officers and former military personnel–over Canada, the USA, Britain, Australia and allied European nations. Within Canada, Victoria, Vancouver, the BC Interior, Moose Jaw, Edmonton and much of Ontario have been hit particularly hard.

On March 15, 2001, radio reporter S.T. Brendt interviewed a senior air traffic control manager with the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) who was responsible for commercial aircraft over the northeastern United States. The FAA manager admitted he was being ordered to divert commercial flights around formations of US Air Force (USAF) Stratotankers. On whether the Air Force jets crossed into Canadian air space, he replied "yes."

Each of the 650 USAF Stratotankers carries 150,000 pounds of transferable fuel. Each of the 50 KC-10s (refuelling jets) carries about 320,000 pounds. Speaking under strict anonymity, the FAA official said the purpose of the military missions was weather modification.

The particles sprayed into the stratosphere by the big jets act as moisture-attracting nuclei, forming clouds and precipitation. Immediately after the March weather modification missions, the northeastern seaboard was struck by unseasonable snowstorms that confounded 70-year-old residents and piled eight-foot snowdrifts against some homes. At least one fatality resulted due to collapsing roofs.

The inert aluminum spread by the jets is not considered a human health hazard. But according to the New England Journal of Medicine, microscopic particles in the air can kill city dwellers prematurely. Further, a 1993 Harvard study has identified particles with a diameter of less than 10 micrometres (microns) as a threat to public health. Death rates increase with the rise in particulate pollution.

Nevertheless, a leaked draft document from the International Panel on Climate Change said the panel considers spraying up to 10 million tons of microscopic aluminum particles "in the range of 10 to 100 microns" as a possible solution to avoid global warming.


Much more here


supercell.org...

William Thomas is a con artist... good job spreading his lies...



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
All I know is that I remember a time when jets didn't leave "contrails" that lasted for hours or dissipated and turned the sky hazy. Does that make me a chemtrail believer?
PS - i don't trust "anonymous" sources, ever.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the government were spraying tons of crap in the atmosphere for whatever reason. They can't handle money or power responsibly so yes, it's entirely possible.


I've lived in some high traffic zones for aircraft most of my life. I've seen these kinds of contrails all my life. All anyone needs to do to disprove chemtrails is to look -up- more days then not. When you look at planes flying on warmer/hot days do you see contrails? odds are no. On cooler/cold days do you see contrails? odds are yes! All summer long as I watched 747s and other craft fly overhead and saw not one single contrail, I just chuckled internally. Most Chemtrailers don't bother to do any research on their own. They seem to see the contrail and go "Chemtrail!". How about checking the atmospheric conditions of the day at various altitudes? How about trying to I.D. the make of the plane, maybe even I.D. its flight number? Do you know the flight paths over your area and where those flights are going? How about understanding how modern jet engines work?



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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Probably because I did not see it


So it would appear. And there's me thinking people are hanging on my every word



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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THERE ARE NO CHEMTRIALS STOP IT !!!!!!!
It is water vapor. WATER.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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That reminds me, I gotta take a shower and rinse off all that dust from cutting my firewood shorter for the new old kitchen cookstove. I'm feeding the trees so they can grow by releasing heavy particulate carbon into the air
They can take that carbon and make more wood out of it
Maybe the metals in the woodsmoke will make clouds.
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