Chemtrails Secret Confirmed by a Senior Air Traffic Control Manager for the (FAA)

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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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The video specifically said that the majority of the testing was done using foggers from buildings and ground vehicles (Station wagons). Didn't you watch your own video? It even showed a guy climbing up a radio tower. This is the same way that that they do mosquito spray applications, with low altitude from small aircraft (the video showed an f-105 thunderchief, though I doubt that as the aircraft actually used). When aircraft are used in such application, they are flow low altitude so the spray can hit the ground in a controlled area.

BTW, at the time ZnCdS was thought to be an easily tracable, none harmful, substance. The point of the test was to track dispersment patterns in the case of a war. To this day, there is no proof that ZnCdS has any harmful side effects at the low levels people were exposed too.




posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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So now the goalposts change?

I'll ask again:

Is it a chemical?

Did they spray this chemical on unsuspecting civilians?

Did they cover it up and are still actively doing so?

Did they use military jets to spray over Texas? (the video states they did).

All these add up to a chemtrail a mile long.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by HandyDandy
 


The video specifically said that the majority of the testing was done using foggers from buildings and ground vehicles (Station wagons). Didn't you watch your own video?


Key word that you ignored was "majority". NOT "all".

Plus they specifically state that planes were used over Texas. And you denied it. I am done arguing with the blind faithful when the truth is staring you in the eyes.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
All I know is that I remember a time when jets didn't leave "contrails" that lasted for hours or dissipated and turned the sky hazy. Does that make me a chemtrail believer?
PS - i don't trust "anonymous" sources, ever.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the government were spraying tons of crap in the atmosphere for whatever reason. They can't handle money or power responsibly so yes, it's entirely possible.


Thank you, thank you, thank you for putting your opinion into SIMPLE words! I have said the same thing...I DO NOT recall our skies cluttered with such an array of "fumes" 40 years ago. The first time I took notice was the 1990's, as I remember watching a jet going almost straight up into the sky with an enormously high and wide trail that made me think this jet exploded similar to the Challenger tragedy in 1986. I don't care how much this is debated...my feelings will not change....we live in a sinister world these days, and for all we know it's done to try and right a wrong. Nevertheless, we are kept in the dark which only adds to this conundrum of a subject!



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Sorry old chap, three times a day jet fuel is check for it's density. it has to fall between a very fine line. The fuel operators that pump this stuff are no idiots. If it fails, the whole lot is U/S. They do not pump suspect fuel into aircraft. Or are you saying the worlds Fuel producers are in on it too?



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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As Waynos said, the new jet engines leave more contrails than the older engines. Defcon even posted a picture of a 707, and an Airbus with the new engines flying side by side, the Airbus leaving a contrail, and the 707 not.

Years ago, we did see a lot of planes going overhead without leaving a contrail, but now we see more of them because more planes are leaving them behind.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Please! For all those believers in Chem-trails, please stop it. It just does not happen. The only "Chem-trail" is the bloody exhaust from burnt Kero and that's it. There are no secret aircraft lined up on runways etc etc.

Do you happen to know the amount of checks involved when doing a pre-flight inspection? You just don't rock up to it like your car and hop in and go flying. Plus, as you know with you bag weight issues, there is a weight and balance problems to solve. This takes into account the empty aircraft weight, plus fuel plus passengers plus baggage. Now, seeing as you have had your selected aircraft type drummed into you from day one and can tell anyone that is interested that will listen about any nut or bolt on you aircraft, I don't think there is going to be any extra surprises when I come to work on my aircraft? A simple 100kg can make the difference between take-off and live and take-off and die? Really it could, especially in hot conditions, but that's not the point here.

Let me make this really clear. We, as pilots would know if there was anything on our aircraft that shouldn't be there.


Full stop.

Or perhaps we're all in on it too yeah? Pft!!



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by HandyDandy
 


BTW, at the time ZnCdS was thought to be an easily tracable, none harmful, substance. The point of the test was to track dispersment patterns in the case of a war. To this day, there is no proof that ZnCdS has any harmful side effects at the low levels people were exposed too.


'While the acute toxicity of Cd was discovered as
early as in 19th century, the possibility that this metal
could cause chronic effects in humans was recognized
much later with the first reports of pulmonary, bone
and renal lesions in industrial workers published in the
late 1930s-1940s-'

That is that bit sorted. To this day, and according to the newscast, the military follow up, is either non-existant or secret, then the place was blown up. So no joy there as regards residual levels. As for low levels this is the entire PDF,

icmr.nic.in...



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
The text of my post (see below) is old news, but...


"Control of space means control of the world. From space, the masters of infinity would have the power to control the earth's weather, to cause drought and flood, to change the tides and raise the levels of the sea, to divert the gulf stream and change temperate climates to frigid. There is something more important than the ultimate weapon. And that's the ultimate position. The position of total control over the Earth that lies somewhere in outer space."

-President Lyndon Johnson, Statement on Status of Nation's Defense and Race for
Space, January 7, 1958

One month later, Lyndon Johnson and the Senate Special Committee on Space and Astronautics drafted a resolution to change the name of the US Army's Ballistic Missile Arsenal to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
video.google.com...

That was interesting, I forgot that apart from LBJ being a gangster, he was also a Bohemian Grover.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainBeno
Please! For all those believers in Chem-trails, please stop it. It just does not happen. The only "Chem-trail" is the bloody exhaust from burnt Kero and that's it. There are no secret aircraft lined up on runways etc etc.

Do you happen to know the amount of checks involved when doing a pre-flight inspection? You just don't rock up to it like your car and hop in and go flying. Plus, as you know with you bag weight issues, there is a weight and balance problems to solve. This takes into account the empty aircraft weight, plus fuel plus passengers plus baggage. Now, seeing as you have had your selected aircraft type drummed into you from day one and can tell anyone that is interested that will listen about any nut or bolt on you aircraft, I don't think there is going to be any extra surprises when I come to work on my aircraft? A simple 100kg can make the difference between take-off and live and take-off and die? Really it could, especially in hot conditions, but that's not the point here.

Let me make this really clear. We, as pilots would know if there was anything on our aircraft that shouldn't be there.


Full stop.

Or perhaps we're all in on it too yeah? Pft!!


Point taken, the difference between lb's and kg's in at least one tragedy. This thread is particularly about military planes en masse though, but it's also about fuel and added stuff in the micrograms, that can apply to any aircraft.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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But weight and balance applies to military planes too. As does fuel checks, and all the other checks that occur with a civilian plane.

The much more likely occurrence with this story, was that the KC-135s were on a refueling track with something they didn't want to talk about, and that's why they were ordered to keep other aircraft clear. When on a refueling mission, the tankers are given a block of airspace that goes from roughly 19,000 feet or so, to over 30,000 feet. The refueling can take place at any point in that block, as they "own" that airspace during the refueling times.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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But weight and balance applies to military planes too. As does fuel checks, and all the other checks that occur with a civilian plane.

The much more likely occurrence with this story, was that the KC-135s were on a refueling track with something they didn't want to talk about, and that's why they were ordered to keep other aircraft clear. When on a refueling mission, the tankers are given a block of airspace that goes from roughly 19,000 feet or so, to over 30,000 feet. The refueling can take place at any point in that block, as they "own" that airspace during the refueling times.


Fuel weight though is a metered parameter, if all the bad stuff is in the fuel intentionally anyway. I've no idea if there is an additional method to spray say, aluminium particles alone from a wing pod or tanks inside an aircraft, but a huge aircraft will still have a payload, in fact if all the bad stuff is in the fuel itself, they would be flying light, but then these are fuel tankers we are talking about.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Yes, they're fuel tankers, and they don't fly anywhere light. Even on a local flight they're taking off with max fuel load. The problem occurs when you add in the POL folks that constantly check the fuel for additives, and the fact that jet engines are very finicky when it comes to additives. For example, even a little bit of water in the fuel can cause a jet engine to run rough, or have problems.

Even with the military, there are a lot of people that are going to be involved. You have the POL folks at the tank farm that load the trucks. You have the truck driver that checks the fuel that's on the truck, etc. There should have at least been one person by now coming forward from the military saying they saw something.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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As stated above, the fuel for aircraft is very carefully monitored on a daily basis. For an example of the importance of controlling particulate contamination, read this PDF file:
www.nfpa.org...

Jet fuel is sterile when it is produced at the refinery because of the high processing temperature; however, there are numerous opportunities to contaminate the fuel in its route from refinery to aircraft. Contamination can occur any time that fuel is transferred.

It is extremely important that jet fuel be delivered to the aircraft clean and on specification. This includes thermal stability, flash point, viscosity, conductivity lubricity, fluidity, and volatility.

Fuel cleanliness means the absence of solid particles such as rust and dirt and absence of free water. Particulates can plug fuel filters. Water in the fuel may enable corrosion of some metals and aid in the growth of microorganisms. Fuels that are out of specification can seriously impact engine life and performance

Fuel quality control is outlined in several industry standards including Air Transport Association (ATA) 103 Standard for Jet Fuel Quality Control at Airports; International Air Transport Association (IATA) Fuel Quality Control and Fueling Service Guidance Material; and Joint Inspection Group (JIG) Guidelines.

that shoots a lot of holes in the theory that folks are adding “blood cells”, “bacteria”, “Aluminum Particulates”, or any other substance into jet fuel. Its just not happening anywhere but in peoples imaginations. Jet engines are not some sort of big Cuisinarts that you can just start throwing all sort of crap through.


Jet Fuel received at the pipeline terminal from a multi-product pipeline is placed into dedicated storage, where its quality is confirmed.

Product received that is not “on-specification” is returned to the refinery for further processing.

Received jet fuel is processed through a series of filters that can include pleated paper or synthetic fiber filter elements for removal of particulates, often called pre-filters or Micronics filters. The jet fuel is then passed through filter/separators for removal of free waters. These filters are equipped with water coalescing elements, which cause smaller droplets of water to combine into larger drops and then pass the fuel through water separator elements that allow the fuel to pass through and reject the larger water droplets. Sumps are provided in the bottom of the vessel to collect and drain off the water. Heaters should be installed on the sumps in freezing climates. The filter/separator shall incorporate an automatic air eliminator. While filter/separators are generally considered to be the workhorse of the modern jet fuel system, they can in fact be one on the greatest contributors of safety issues.

So the fuel is checked at each stage along the route to the Tanker farm, and is rejected if there are any bacteria, or other particulates, in it. Its constantly checked at the farm to ensure that it remains “on spec” and as close to sterile as possible.

Its filtered more as it enters the actual hydrant system that pumps it out to the aircraft:

The typical hydrant pumping system consists of a bank of pumps operating in parallel, a bank of outbound filter/separators for water removal, and appropriate flow control valves and appropriate isolation valves as required by the system layout. Strainers should be used to protect the pumps. The pumps and filters are typically installed as sets on a manifold. This arrangement will ensure the flow capacity of the filter elements is not exceeded. A flow control valve should be used to regulate the flow through each set. These manifold sets will feed through some type of pressure and flow sensing device or devices to provide a means of controlling the pumping system.

It then passes through three more filters on the truck itself before entering the aircrafts tanks:

Fuel Servicing Vehicles or Carts shall be provided with metering, filtration and control valves to safely control the flow of fuel into the aircraft. The Fuel Servicing Vehicle/Cart shall be equipped with a dead-man type system in accordance with NFPA 407 to stop the flow of fuel. Fuel is typically dispensed into the aircraft at pressures not to exceed 50 psi. The vehicle or cart should be provided with pressure controls to regulate the pressure into the aircraft.

This is the reality of the situation, and its a very serious business. There is no 'monkeying' around going on just to make clouds in the sky, get real here folks...

On top of that, the specific density of the fuel is precisely known according to the barometric pressure at the location where the aircraft is filled. This is because fuel is measured in the aircraft by weight, and its measured/billed on the pumping truck in gallons. These two numbers must justify at all times, or you have a serious issue. Pilots need to know the fuel by weight for balance, airlines and service providers have to know it by gallons for billing reasons.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Spot on.

Now, not wanting to open another can of worms. I once worked for Shell Aviation (in between flying gigs) and I learnt/ well , drummed into me, the way you must check check check check check check fuel. We used to fill more jets than you guys have had hot dinners. Believe me................nothing in the fuel. Stil had contrails overhead though



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Thanks mate, exactly what I would have put......................if I had more time.

Bang on.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainBeno
Please! For all those believers in Chem-trails, please stop it. It just does not happen. The only "Chem-trail" is the bloody exhaust from burnt Kero and that's it. There are no secret aircraft lined up on runways etc etc.


WOW....the insanity to keep the lie going. After I posted proof of secret military chemical spraying using planes.




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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Suddenly it all makes sense.

When I was a kid I loved going to the airshow every year with my parents, then I got asthma. Now as an adult I don't visit airshows and don't fly anywhere, suddenly my asthma is gone. The connection is clear




All of this is an argument from authority anyway, the accuracy of the information in question is what's important, not who is saying it. As such there's no good evidence for a "chemtrail" conspiracy and most claims made by those who believe in this conspiracy make absolutely no sense.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by smurfy

That was interesting, I forgot that apart from LBJ being a gangster, he was also a Bohemian Grover.


Bohemian Grove man... "The owls are not what they seem". That's a line from "Twin Peaks", by the way.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Love it, nice post Thumbs and a star!





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