Originally posted by dontreally
You mean sympathy, or empathy?
I guess I am refering to empathy.
But it's always just an approximation of their experience. It's never actually their experience. But something is definitely picked up -
psychically - which probably differs between sympathy and empathy, that allows your conscious mind to absorb a perception that likens theirs.
I won't make any claims to psychic phenomenon, it is possible, but not necessary, to explain the experience, I think.
I do think it is an approximation, but I think that the subconscious plays a role in the forming of this "copy", the mirror neurons and the
sub-conscious sensual data adding subtle complex emotional information to the conscious theory of mind.
At all times? While I agree to some extent that a mother can intuit her child's feelings - and thus thought - this is usually a momentary sensation,
and cannot last.
No, not at all times. When the child is in my presence (part of why I think sensory input plays a part).
I can close myself off from this, but honestly? It is something I had to learn
I often help women learn how to close off that empathy while working with horses. It is an excellent therapy for people who need to learn to do that.
So far I have not met one man that had that problem!
Why is creating a 'copy' necessary? As I see it, what happens is the spirit between the two people - mother and son - carries with it the information,
or 'copy' if you prefer, of the others present thoughts/feelings. But what transfers the feeling itself is responsible for the perception.
I wouldn't say it is "necessary" exactly, but I have come to suspect it is something like that. Because though you talk of the almost "natural" way it
happens between child and mother, what of the way it happens between a husband and wife after a certain amount of time? Or simple friends or
coworkers? This sort of ability seems to me to grow as I gather experience and comprehension of the person.
I think only one perception dominates, while at a lesser level of conscious perception, there is the simultaneous awareness of your sons
Yes... I would say there is a dominant view, but that is because I choose to identify with mine. I can easily "lose" my view and will to anothers'-
that is, theirs becomes the dominant.
By the way, I really agreed with this-
My problem, philosophically, is the much vaunted belief that the perception of the Absolute or Universal should have any say in mans real life day to
day living. There is also the particular, the relational; the reality which unfolds from these experiences, between one person and another, are RICHER
and more full of meaning than the homogenized sense of "I AM" everything. I'm not taking away validity to those perceptions, but they are entirely
personal, and mystical; they have nothing to do with social life, and should have nothing to do with it.
What is that chinese proverb?
"Before enlightenment chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment,
chop wood and carry water."
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