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I AM everything. You identify with the part of you that thinks "I want that water." That part is but a part...
science refuses to use anything conscious as a tool
The dizziness felt like a spinning or falling sensation. This quickly intensified and soon felt as if I were caught up in some kind of insane amusement park ride....In the back of my mind I began to wonder if I might be dying...The bonedeep buzzing, droning waves and dizziness increased, accompanied by an even heavier falling sensation, as if I were continually falling backward from a great height. This falling sensation made me feel quite nauseous....The pressure around me head increased painfully....494
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Dustytoad
science refuses to use anything conscious as a tool
Do you read what you wright ? Define a mathematician...
All science is done like anything in human experience trough our 5 senses, it is all a conscious process...
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Dustytoad
Oh Well, thanks for insulting me.
I AM everything. You identify with the part of you that thinks "I want that water." That part is but a part...
In logical terms, isn't it of relevance that your center of consciousness is your body - that you're rooted only in your body, and that to actually leave your body, as you claim, you need to do something. The fact that your original state is the physical, implies a centrality - a teleological significance to the physical relative to the spiritual. That we are not supposed to live 'up there' but down here. That is the concept of 'being rooted'.
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Dustytoad
You are making no sense, mathematics do not rely in instrumentation. I sort of understand your basic premise but see no value or relevance to it...
You can accept or refute reality outside of yourself, beyond that the conscious distinctions become irrelevant, your eyes are simple biological instruments themselves they are not conscious in fact you can only perceive the past not the present due to the delay that exist between light reflections hitting your retina an your biological processing of the images...
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Dustytoad
What about psychology or theology ?
Originally posted by Bluesma
(I sometimes suspect that women experience this more than men, and that it is at the root of people who struggle with ambivalence, choice making, or being authorative. )
edit on 27-9-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
So the thing is that even for etheric travel to work it needs a "carrier wave" of astral energy or spirit energy -- holographic energy. So why is it holographic? Remember that science does not have a unified field theory but probably the best is de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony -- which relies on a "pilot wave" that is faster than light -- and works through a spacetime vortex. So there can be information from the future that then travels backwards and so this is a "pilot wave" -- this is consciousness in the sense that it can not be measured by technology until after the fact -- it is quantum entanglement -- so it is a spacetime vortex that is impersonal consciousness.
So that is also called nonduality in non-western philosophy. So we always-already exist in nondual consciousness. This freaks people out -- but consider that every night in deep dreamless sleep you don't know you exist nor do you know that spacetime exists. Yet consciousness remains - so logically we can infer we still exist even though we are not aware of our existence. So who are we really? There is something that is impersonal that guides up.
O.K. so anyway a person can create multiple astral bodies at the same time - this is called the "yin spirit." If your yin spirit or holographic quantum coherent light body -- it is high frequency energy as light energy that is coherent -- so if you spirit energy leaves your body before it can be powered by your etheric body - then there is dizziness.
See the quote I gave above by Robert Bruce? He is describing his astral body leaving him. I had this happen to me after I did intensive qigong training to finish my masters degree
What I was talking about was testing split consciousness. How can they tell If while I am looking at the card I am still in my body too.
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Dustytoad
I have very large doubts regarding OBE and even NDEs (but here it gets a bit more confusing that I can fully provide an empirical response).
What I was talking about was testing split consciousness. How can they tell If while I am looking at the card I am still in my body too.
I think OBE are self delusions, they are real to the observer and even if there could be some sort of extra sensorial inputs in the mix that would lead to something like remove viewing I do not credit the idea that consciousness has gone anywhere (thought does not need to travel in my view of reality, space even time is a construct).
In this setting I can accept that the perception of the observer was a split of consciousness but not that it actually happened as he states. I only see the viability of a personal unique consciousness or a shared one (universal) and I'm very inclined to the latter as it is simpler and creates few problems...
No, dejavu is not split consciousness it is a memory gaff, this has been studied...
PS: If you are into self exploration of consciousness you should take a look at hypnosis, the power of "make believe" it will open you some new paths on how mind can it truly the shaper of your own reality...
edit on 27-9-2012 by Panic2k11 because: (no reason given)
No I AM EVERYTHING.
My center is God, not my body.
My original state was nothing, and that was a long time ago
It only appears central to you because you don't remember before.
If you want to be confused I could try and speak from the I AM I...
My experiences match his with things like "real time Zone" "split consciousness" "energy body"
I can tell you a hint. You have to shift conscious awareness from body to spirit. You do the same thing when you "fall" (directional word) asleep, you shift the "I" from body to mind.
We often "see through the eyes of others", or "walk in their shoes". while simultaneously keeping our own perception and position.
how they see it.
When I am talking to my child, for example, I am simultaneously aware of how I look and feel to the child. This may be in contrast to my own self perception.
But I am experiencing both my perception, feelings and thoughts, as well as theirs at the same time.
I suspect that this involves creating a sort of "copy" of their base personality within my mind (why my knowledge of them is essential to this) like a lens, through which I can see.
At the same time, as if through another eye , I can still see my own differing perception and thought associations and pathways.
So learning to grasp various philosophies is much like this experience, in my opinion.