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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by yampa

Originally posted by john_bmth
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Just because you choose to bask in your scientific ignorance and follow every pseudo-scientific flight of fancy with uncritical gusto doesn't mean that science has not made leaps and bounds in the last century.


The basics, including the mathematical models, of the Copenhagen interpretation have barely changed in 90 years. There are no rival theories. There are no professional scientists who offer any dissent against this interpretation. You claim that scientists love to be proven wrong. But that has not been the case for the fundamentals of quantum theory at all. Modern theory piles math on top of existing theory. It never replaces existing theory.

You have no idea if my ideas are scientific or not. But what is evident is that you will casually resort to this kind of slander based on even the most meagre sign that an individual is not entirely accepting of current theory. You show exactly how tolerant modern physics is of being 'proven wrong' because you won't even process any kind of dissent.


REAL SCIENCE!
But you cant say that the Copenhagen interpretation is the ONLY ideas for QM. It was the most popular and probably the most complete, but most serious physicists know it has to be flawed. We know it in our gut. There is a mechanism that collapses the wave function, we just dont know what it is. The universe is there when we dont look, we just dont understand wave particle duality to know what the universe looks like in waves/probability.




posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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That still doesn't explain to me why things still happen even though we are not observing all of space and time..I get the gist of the theory..No one observed the theoretical big bang, but that seems to be the most plausible idea out there..If no one observed it, how did the big bang happen then? I personally believe the big bang theory to be as ridiculous as creationism..I can not believe the trillions of billions of galaxies, stars, planets, and moons out there, all that matter, could be condensed down into a singularity, but that's a conversation for a different time



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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i have always believed everything was an illusion. I hate to bring the bible and jesus in this, but if the man did walk this earth he was trying to tell us something. "let those with eyes , SEE. Let those with ears, HEAR. He said "Yea are gods and dont even knowe it!! If you want the mountain to move, say mountain move and it shall fall into the see. He would heal people but it was by their faith ( he didnt heal it was the faith that he could heal them that healed them). There was a veil that was pulled over our eyes!!!

I have always believed that something just isnt right. scientist only recently found microwaves and xrays, infrared spectrum. What else is there that we do not see????



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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Those 10 people....do they exist outside of what your brain is telling you is a perception of them?

It would follow that if you are in a position to stand with an ocean at your back, then those who interact with you would be in general agreement.

There are a lot of questions here, honestly. One example would be the prior example of 10 different people having 10 different stories when eye witnessing an event. Is this due to differences in perception? Or could there actually be subtle differences in the experience because they all arrived at the same point via a different methodology (i.e., different timeline)?

Not saying I buy any of this. Just that it is what I think about when I am thinking about things.


Yeah, I'm just shootin' the breeze. This is one of those topics that is okay to use to pass the time, but I really don't care about it.

And yes, those ten people do exist. My brain is only recording/relaying information from the outside world into my mind. It is not developing people and projecting them outward.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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I'm too tired to go through all the replies, so if this has been mentioned already, I apologize.

Dreams.
In our dreams we can drive down streets, fly through the air, and we can even approximate distances as being near or far. And yet, isn't this all happening in one point of the brain?

Maybe space IS an illusion, but would this be any proof of a supreme dreamer?



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ubeenhad
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Its not that mysterious. Everything you guys are mentioning about "10" different observers experiencing different things has been debated since the "copenhagen" interpretation of quantum mechanics was first introduced. The brightest minds in science have debated the meaning of what quantum mechanics tells us about philososphy and reality itself. Please read everything that goes into the copenhagen interpertation and then realize nothing your saying is new.


Please read all the posts and realize everything is new to us. Thank you.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Thats the heart of the mystery. Is the reality we experience the definitive one? or are the other just as real or only exist in the math. QM says that something like a particles position is not known till its observed. It has a probability of being in the different places before measured but it isnt in one definitive state (even then uncertainty only allows so much). So thats were the idea of parallel universes came from. Every posible state/position of the particle coresponds to a different reality. We just experience one outcome.

My own personal pseudoscience is everything is happening all at once, just like QM says. But life, consciousness, observers create a solid reality, so infact the only reality that matters is the ones that are observed. The rest is just probability.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Actually, yes it would. Here's another video from that same channel:



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Well it's all in God's memory, until we look, then God "loads it" from his memory into the dream.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by sylent6
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Some scientist are stupid no matter what education they have. So we're just going to say "ok it doesn't exist" wow.

If space is nowhere to be found then, I must be dreaming that I am live and by the time I wake up from this illusion then..............................................................................................(nothing exist, can you feel it?)..................(c..a..n....y..o..u....f..e..e..l....i..t..!!!!?).


Yes, you are. The world is a virtual reality, inside of God's mind, and we have the physics now to prove it:The Emergence of the Physical World from Information Processing



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84
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Actually, yes it would. Here's another video from that same channel:


This was on the question of there being a supreme dreamer.

Thanks, Ajax. I really enjoyed that, and I bookmarked it so I can watch the other videos.

Here's my problem with the idea of a supreme dreamer, and I've recognized this problem for quite a few years. If there is a god, if there REALLY IS A SUPREME DREAMER, then we don't even exist, much less hold an important position in the universe. How can one argue that the people, places, and things in our dreams aren't real, but our reality-in-a-dream is real?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Anything with music like that can be discounted off hand.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84

Yes, you are. The world is a virtual reality, inside of God's mind, and we have the physics now to prove it:The Emergence of the Physical World from Information Processing


How are the musings of a computer scientist proof of anything to do with physics?



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by Ajax84

Yes, you are. The world is a virtual reality, inside of God's mind, and we have the physics now to prove it:The Emergence of the Physical World from Information Processing


How are the musings of a computer scientist proof of anything to do with physics?


Quantum information theory is pretty trendy in physics - that is essentially computer science.

www.theory.caltech.edu...



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by ubeenhad

Originally posted by Kashai
See attached...

10 Real-world Applications of Quantum Mechanics

Any thoughts?


Um, my computer which is right infront of me is a real world application. show me a real world application of 11 dimensional spacetime.


Existence, prove otherwise...in other words prove what reality is ??? Show me a real application of nothingness??? Extraordinary claims require, extraordinary evidence......

Any thoughts?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by Ajax84
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Actually, yes it would. Here's another video from that same channel:


This was on the question of there being a supreme dreamer.

Thanks, Ajax. I really enjoyed that, and I bookmarked it so I can watch the other videos.

Here's my problem with the idea of a supreme dreamer, and I've recognized this problem for quite a few years. If there is a god, if there REALLY IS A SUPREME DREAMER, then we don't even exist, much less hold an important position in the universe. How can one argue that the people, places, and things in our dreams aren't real, but our reality-in-a-dream is real?
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Well think of it like this. When you are in a lucid dream, it has been discovered that you can "replay" the dream as different characters in the dream, while forgetting your memories as the other characters each time. Perhaps that's how it works. We would all be real people, but subsets of God's mind, and everyone would share the same "I" ultimately, but not realize it. (Except for God)
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Because it's not just musings of a computer scientist. Mainstream Quantum Gravity theorists are saying the exact same thing:


It's just that that paper sums it up the most succinctly in ways that make intuitive sense for anyone who plays computer games.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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Again, I ask what the musings of a computer scientist have anything to do with "o
proof" of a simulation in physics or "proof" of being in a god's mind?
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posted on Oct, 1 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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It's simple, they aren't just musings of a computer scientist. In fact, it's experimentally confirmed fact now. There is no spoon, and as of 2007, science has proven it:

Quantum Physics Says Goodbye To Reality



posted on Oct, 1 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Argumentum ad hominem?





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