Entanglement Shows Space Doesn't Exist!

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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Check this out, it turns out that the before you measure entangled particles the space between them doesn't exist. But guess what? We're all entangled. Meaning space as we know it, is an illusion of observation! If we don't look at it, it's not there.



There are some interesting Einstein quotes at the end, which suggest he was on to this before he died.




posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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This stuff really piques my interest. Thank you for referring me to the video! It definitely coincides with the "Holographic Universe" theory that I so whole heartedly believe in.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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seriously !! i just came from watching that on you tube haha

seems were both subscribed to johananraatz, great minds subcribe alike

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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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this is a very old theory.

not to bust your buttons



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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I didn't watch the video but perhaps the issue could be our measuring devices and techniques just can't comprehend space?



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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This.

We're not there yet. We'd like to think we are, but we're not.

We're getting very arrogant.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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to me we.ve always been very arrogant........if its not proved by our scientist then its not possible......we have to believe what they tell us......why?



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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Dear Ajax84,

And the double slit experiment proves that merely observing something changes the outcome. I love quantum physics, it is so amusing. It always takes us back to Descartes, "I think therefore I am" is all that we can prove, everything else is a theory. So what does it mean to live in a holographic universe, it means that everything is created from a thought, even if it is someone's other than ourselves. The matrix is consciousness and there are many sentient beings effecting one another. Our universe is merely a representation of the varied sentient beings thoughts.

It is said that time is the movement of matter through space, what if instead it was the transition from one thought or emotion to another, that is how we experience time, a change in ourselves. S&F.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by sparky31
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we have to believe what they tell us......why?

You don't, and that's the beauty of science: anyone is free to repeat experiments and validate them for themselves. of course, this will most likely involve many years of education and hard work so it's easier for some to sit on the side lines and criticise science rather than participate.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84
Check this out, it turns out that the before you measure entangled particles the space between them doesn't exist. But guess what? We're all entangled. Meaning space as we know it, is an illusion of observation! If we don't look at it, it's not there.

There are some interesting Einstein quotes at the end, which suggest he was on to this before he died.


I think the speaker and this video have misunderstood what Einstein was saying. Anything which attempts to give properties to space (or is romanticising the removal of properties from space) is badly off the mark. Space is nothing. Space is and always has been defined as a nothing - it's the separator in between two real things.

The interpretation of entanglement here is false - entangled particles never actually simultaneously change state over any significant distance when measured. Most of these large-distance photonic experiments betray a drastic simplification of the fundamental physical motions of photons. The electron experiments are either misidentified charge-field coupling, or again, misinterpretations of the fundamental motions of quanta.

If anything about Einstein's thought was revealed here, it is the idea that he knew the spacetime models of relativity and the universe were entirely mathematical, and that most interpretations of spacetime were misleading in their physical analogies. Einstein knew well that Quantum Mechanics was a hack and was always fundamentally heuristic and ad-hoc.
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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In all fairness, you have to admit, scientists and historians often must eat their words years and decades later when they are proven wrong.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by rtyfx
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In all fairness, you have to admit, scientists and historians often must eat their words years and decades later when they are proven wrong.

Scientists love being "proven wrong", it's what pushes the limits of human understanding forwards. Your insinuation that the scientific community is somehow stuck in their ways and narrow minded is completely false.

And who "proves them wrong"? Other scientists.
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by rtyfx
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In all fairness, you have to admit, scientists and historians often must eat their words years and decades later when they are proven wrong.

Scientists love being "proven wrong", it's what pushes the limits of human understanding forwards. Your insinuation that the scientific community is somehow stuck in their ways and narrow minded is completely false.

And who "proves them wrong"? Other scientists.
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Really? Then how come the standard model, sourced via the Copenhagen interpretation, have barely changed in 90 years? Everything shown in this video would have been considered normal theory in the early 20th century. Einstein was one of the last dissenters who attempted to challenge QM at all. Now the belief in those theories is worldwide and almost absolute. Where is the dissent for the 21st century? Doesn't exist.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Ah, you seem to be taking my comments personally, which is a mistake.

I am not targeting scientists. I love science, but its arrogance disappoints me from time to time.

Scientists do not know everything, but they will never admit it. They come up with some outrageous crap, but they will never admit it.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Just because you choose to bask in your scientific ignorance and follow every pseudo-scientific flight of fancy with uncritical gusto doesn't mean that science has not made leaps and bounds in the last century.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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What "arrogance"? Show me a single scientist who has proclaimed "we know everything". What is this "outrageous crap" that they "never admit"?



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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I'm not interested in talking to you. You are hostile.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
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Just because you choose to bask in your scientific ignorance and follow every pseudo-scientific flight of fancy with uncritical gusto doesn't mean that science has not made leaps and bounds in the last century.


The basics, including the mathematical models, of the Copenhagen interpretation have barely changed in 90 years. There are no rival theories. There are no professional scientists who offer any dissent against this interpretation. You claim that scientists love to be proven wrong. But that has not been the case for the fundamentals of quantum theory at all. Modern theory piles math on top of existing theory. It never replaces existing theory.

You have no idea if my ideas are scientific or not. But what is evident is that you will casually resort to this kind of slander based on even the most meagre sign that an individual is not entirely accepting of current theory. You show exactly how tolerant modern physics is of being 'proven wrong' because you won't even process any kind of dissent.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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So being "hostile" is expecting people to substantiate their claims? What an enlightened world you must inhabit.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Your posting history is more than enough to gauge your complete and utter scientific illiteracy.





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