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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Interesting reply. But as some people have stated, how do we know that it's not a cast of iron and actually carved from the meteorite?

Has someone actually compared this statue to traces of the meteorite it was supposedly carved from (granted if trace amounts still exist) to prove that it was from it?

S and F OP, but it leaves so many questions.




posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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cite ?



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by CALGARIAN
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You haven't seen Iron Sky?



This is a pretty cool story thanks OP

Seems the more you look into what the NAZI's were into back then it just gets stranger and stranger...



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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People often misunderstand the Nazis use of the term "aryan"

By Aryan, they meant to refer to the peoples who descended from the original Aryans in Eastern Iran/Afghanistan.

Thus, in the Nazi's mind, all peoples from India to Portugal, were Aryans; Christianity was an UnAryan religion because it was influenced by Judaism. Therefore, true Aryanism - from the German perspective - was found in the original Aryan religion of ancient Germany, in Wotanism.

The Nazi ideology is really highly based in the mystical musings of Helena Blavatasky, the writings of Guido von List and Jord Lanz Von Liebenfes, as well as the Germanic music of Richard Wagner and his Bayreuth festival.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
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I agree. It's like saying that some American women go to Jamaica to get laid, or that women out of town use the opportunity to get laid. Like that's news?

I wouldn't put it past some German chick to get laid by a Tibetan, or chicks of all nationalities for that matter, but there is no way that there is some kind of serious race related reason for this. Chicks are nutz, from time to time. Everybody knows that.

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No they're just damaged in my opinion.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Almost every culture has them...even the Jewish at one time.




posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Where the hell do you get the idea that the Jews had it "at one time"?

That's a purely pagan symbol.

As for Islam, it's in the Shi'ite Sufis who dabbled in the sort of artistic design that represented that symbol. Its not in itself a "islamic" symbo..



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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There's a very interesting collection of Buddhist statues at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto.

Went about 2 weeks ago, and saw many Buddhist statues, some as old as the 4th century CE.

The older ones were made mostly of stone, while the later ones were made of copper, especially. Incredible the amount of craftsmanship that goes into it.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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If someone considers oneself superior and above the rest then fine ............but what is the logic of attacking other countries and worst, killing the women, children and old along with other civilian non fighting me. Even fighting man with POW has rights to be offered. Nazism was pure evil that descended as the curse on the human race in 20th century.

In today's world, Americans think (like many other cultures also do) that they are superior to others. But Yankees do not attack other countries and kill their populations. They go by with their lifestyles and let others be impressed by their progress and developing desires to be like them. This is a way extend and impress your beliefs on others. This works so well that now even Russians who were totally opposite (by force?) in social beliefs to US, are madly wanting to be like them in most aspects of life.

While America is not without few crimes here and there but mostly a fairly gentle and good way of life for others to copy and benefit from.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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It's nice to see this connection crop up
my research that started with the Bon mythos last night is starting to parallel a lot of other religions in the region. I have held a personal view, for a long time that all these religions stem from the same experience or teachings; and the differences between them are just local cultures blending their own beliefs and folklore around them...and after so much passing of time the original is barely recognizable; much like the child's game of "telephone"

This same singular root they all have, is what I have been digging after for many years; beyond the dogma, superstition and folklore...to get a clear picture. But they all have grown off of the same tree without a doubt.

Unfortunately, I fear this thread will be dead on ATS before I can finish anything halfway presentable...But the Bon religion was of an earth based shamanistic type, much like the Natives in the USA, that personified the natural world around them into a pantheon of gods, to create lessons and other parables as a teaching tool.

Were there a race known as the Aryans that descended out of the regional mountains...history seems to say so, are these the same people depicted in Chinese monasteries with white skin, blue eyes and red hair? Where these the Aryans Hitler was trying to emulate...sounds very plausible, but as I said my research thus far is in no way presentable...it's like I kicked open a fire ant mound researching Bon, and pertinent information just keeps pouring out.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Even fighting man with POW has rights to be offered. Nazism was pure evil that descended as the curse on the human race in 20th century.


I've been studying this subject more lately, just finished a book on the holocaust.

Just reading the diaries of the many holocausts victims living throughout Europe - all Jews, many of whom were just 12-16, as in Anne Frank - it's hard to imagine what it was like living in that era.

People forget how rational the world was in the Weimar Republic of Germany. It's actually terrifying, to see how German society transitioned from the Weimar Republic to the Nazi era: it just shows how arbitrary the views of so many people are.

The only people who revolted against Hitler were people who knew what was right - in principle - and what was wrong - in principle. They had no confusions, they allowed no 'rationalizations' to interfere with the simple fact that Jews - poor Jews, insulated Jews who are in essence the same as you or I - had nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed Bolshevist Jews and Capitalist Jews the Nazis kept clamoring to their public about.

But everyone was led, rationalizations took the place of knowing right from wrong, and by the end, Germany and a large segment of Europe was suffering from a COLLECTIVE INSANITY about Jews. From France to the Ukraine, everyone was inundated with anti-semitic propaganda; the Nazis would drop leaflets warning the Eastern inhabitants of Europe - Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Poland and Belarus - with leaflets explaining that the Jewish led bolshevik Soviet Army is brutally massacring populations - we must kill these Jewish criminals in our midst"... And this Fear mongering actually worked to rile up the masses against their local Jews.

The holocaust was an astonishing testament against Christian Europe and Humanist morality. Just reading the repulsive lies of Hitler, and Goebbels and Himmler, each of whom struggled to convey the seriousness of the Jewish threat, emphasizing that Germany was at war because of 'international Jewry' and that the extermination of Jewry was a response to Jewry's war on Germany and Europe - it's just amazing, how mythological the world Nazi propagandists created for the German masses, with regard to the Jews.

It's a statement, if anything, of how we are never truly safe from a recurrence of mass genocide, particularly against the Jews.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Apparently, you came out swinging with gloves on as I was posting; no one holds an exclusive use of the symbol, sure Hitler made it an unforgettable icon for what he stood for...but this symbol predates all of this nonsense, I personally think it has a connection to be learned from; outside of the specific cultures use in iconography, I think they all root to something else further back to the same origin.

I'm not sure why the Nazi's were interested in this statue...finding out who it is for certain is sure to shed some light, the symbols used in statues are universal, only a few are strictly associated with one person/being



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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But they all have grown off of the same tree without a doubt.


Heres what I have a problem with.

I acknowledge the human thirst for truth as universal, so in this sense, all religious traditions come from the same 'root'.

However, there are real ideological differences between religions, and with some religions - as in Judaism - there is an enormous metaphysical and theological chasm separating themselves from most other traditions.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Apparently, you came out swinging with gloves on as I was posting; no one holds an exclusive use of the symbol, sure Hitler made it an unforgettable icon for what he stood for...but this symbol predates all of this nonsense, I personally think it has a connection to be learned from; outside of the specific cultures use in iconography, I think they all root to something else further back to the same origin.


I wasn't challenging the ubiquity of the symbol, I merely said the Jews never used it, as it didn't give expression to their religious i.e. metaphysical and theological beliefs.




I'm not sure why the Nazi's were interested in this statue...finding out who it is for certain is sure to shed some light, the symbols used in statues are universal, only a few are strictly associated with one person/being


The Nazis were a bunch of weirdos. I've read a few books on Nazi occultism and although Nazism in general was spiritual at its core, the occult or magical element seemed to be the sole obsession of Heinrich Himmler.

Schaefer was sent there for I do not know what. No one knows what the intentions of this mission was beyond a vague 'search for aryan roots'. Their taking a statue that was sculpted from a meteorite only adds to the mystery - how did they know it was a extra terrestrial rock?

It may, I surmise, have had to do with the idea that a meteorite from 'space' is charged with metaphysical power; Space is the 'spiritual' world, and the meteorite a physical object charged with spiritual power. Hence, why the Buddhists made a sculpture out of it, and probably why the Nazis took such a fascination with it. Once they discovered its provenance, they took it.
, brought it back, and probably tried to use it in their occult investigations..
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Me:



There is no way for me to know for sure but to me the thing looks as though it has been cast not 'chisled' or 'carved', as is suggested in other articles...


Hello me.

Hi everyone, I need to post to let you all know that if that 22 pound beauty is made from the Siberian meteorite, and there is no reason to believe that it is not, even though I get the faint whiff of Sorcha Faal ( I am sure it's just me ), then it cannot have been cast.

It has been pointed out to me that meteorite is a composite rock, really, and is not suitable material for casting, therefore it must have been 'chiseled' or 'carved'.

Apologies to the membership.

X.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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In Hitler's quest to find aryan history, he believed the original aryans came from somewhere in india.

Actually I think you will find that it was the SS tasked under Himmler that explored India and tried to connect Germanic Aryan blood lines to the region of Tibet. Hitler let it go on but really thought the whole Indian Tibetan thing was preposterous. His ideas of Aryan roots were more along the lines of Teutonic knights, the Round Table of King Arthur and Viking, Norse gods like Thor and Odin (white skinned blond haired and blue eyed).

Even the SS stomping around in Tibet in search of The Master Race didn't think much of the Buddhist monks or their religion. They were interested in the roots of the current culture, which may have been where (in Himmler's mind) the real roots of Aryan history reside. It was preposterous. And all because, their symbology "matched" each other.

In fact the german cross is twisted with the ends broken, a perversion of both the Sun symbol of the East and the christian cross. Twisted, broken and backwards, just like the Nazis themselves.

There were a variety of expeditions in search of the master race origins, all promoted to inspire ordinary germans to believe in the tenants of "Germania", a nonexistent ideal, but promoted to justify the real goals of the Nazi Empire which was to conquer the world. To that end Hitler needed Mysterious Religions, false flags and scapegoats. Hey just like Napoleon, Alexander, Caesar, etc, etc.

Hitlers mission was Deutchland Ubbe Alles (Germany for all), his false flag was the burning of the Reichstag, and his scapegoat the Jews.

We are doing the same thing today. Our banner is "Democracy", our false flag - 911, and our scapegoat - Islam.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by wrdwzrd
The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol used for good luck. The Nazi's stole the imagery and reversed it, the intention being it would do the opposite.

en.wikipedia.org...


Actually, The Nazis did not reverse it. The Hindu Swastika runs to the right just as The Nazi Swastika does. Just click your own wikipedia link and see. It is the Buddist Swastika that runs left, like the one on the satue here.

And why the hell would the Nazis want to bring bad luck on themselves? That makes no sense whasoever. ~$heopleNation
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Hitlers mission was Deutchland Ubbe Alles (Germany for all), his false flag was the burning of the Reichstag, and his scapegoat the Jews.


You do realize that Hitler, actually hated the Jews, and that the Nazi platform wasn't interested in simply making use of them as a 'scapegoat'; their entire raison d'etre, as Hitler said time and again, was to rid Europe of the Jewish people.

They were absolutely obsessed with it.

And unlike the Jews, Islamism IS an actual problem, terrorism IS being committed mostly by Islamic radicals, whereas everything the Nazis accused the Jews of were base and repulsive lies.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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Hitler's hate for Jews goes to the end of WWI when 'stab in the back' was pointed as the reason for Germany's surrender. This 'stab in the back' was supposedly orchestrated by socialist and communist. Communism was the creation of Karl Marx (Jewish) and followed fervently by other Jews. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin (Jewish wife), and nearly 80% of the Bolsheviks were Jewish. Nearly all Commisars were Jewish in USSR at that time. Because of its Jewish roots, Hitler hated Communism and thus on march to SU, they killed Jewish and official Communist as quickly as they could.

Some also say, that Hitler's Grandmother was a servant in the Jewish house where she got pregnant and gave birth to Hitler's father. When come into power, Hitler had that village, where his grandmother worked, destroyed to the last building and made into a artillery range for practice.

However, in a scant case, when in power, Hitler actually signed an order to spare a Jewish man with whom he fought in the company in the WWI.

Also, read somewhere that when one Indian nationalist visited Hitler for help based on common Aryanic roots and British as the common enemy, then Hitler lost his temper and went on a rant of hatred and refused to accept Indians as a the proto Aryans. He also mentioned that when Germans come to India and kick British out then Indians will find more harsh treatment. For him British treatment of the inferior brown skinned people was pretty good and infact 'exemplary'. Hitler however did provide funds and base to that nationalist to set up government in exile and carry out anti British activities from Germany.

Wonder how did Germans treat the Libyans and Egyptians. Although Afrika Corps was under Rommel who was not a part of the Nazi party and refused to carry out the non soldier like orders one of which was Commando Order i.e. kill any Commando right away if captured alive. Rommel was one of the few Generals who withdrew the forces from a weakening front and did not pay the price with his job.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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Hitlers mission was Deutchland Ubbe Alles (Germany for all), his false flag was the burning of the Reichstag, and his scapegoat the Jews.


You do realize that Hitler, actually hated the Jews,

Hitler hated anyone who stood in his way. He was a narcissistic psychopath. The hatred of Jews was the fuel that drove the peoples sentiments that drove the war engine. The "scapegoat" excuse was only a means to an end.


and that the Nazi platform wasn't interested in simply making use of them as a 'scapegoat'; their entire raison d'etre, as Hitler said time and again, was to rid Europe of the Jewish people.

Hitler lied everytime he opened his mouth. The excuse was "The Jews", but any resistance was squashed everywhere it was encountered. Like this film so horrifically shows...




And unlike the Jews, Islamism IS an actual problem, terrorism IS being committed mostly by Islamic radicals, whereas everything the Nazis accused the Jews of were base and repulsive lies.

You just keep repeating that to yourself if it makes you feel better about the "War on Terror".






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