Buddhist statue taken by Nazis came from space rock

Buddhist statue taken by Nazis came from space rock

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A thousand-year-old Buddhist statue taken from Tibet in 1938 by an SS team seeking the roots of Hitler's Aryan doctrine was carved from a meteorite, scientists reported on Wednesday.
Backed by SS chief Heinrich Himmler and heading a team whose members are all believed to have been SS, Schaefer roamed Tibet in 1938-9 to search for the origins of Aryanism, the notion of racial superiority that underpinned Nazism.
Chemical analysis shows that the rock from which it was carved came from a meteorite.

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What more could you ask for?

A buddhist statue stolen from Tibet by the Nazis and originally carved from a rare meteorite.



It seems the Nazi's like hunting cosmic trophies around the world.
Also notice the swastika on the statue.

A large swastika in the centre of the 24 centimetre-tall figure may have enticed the German expedition leaders, who were supported by Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Swastikas decorate many Buddhist and Hindu statues. The ancient symbol was adopted by the Nazis, who modified it into a mirror-image form. Himmler believed the origins of the Aryan race could be found in Tibet.

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Interesting, thanks for this!

Yes, the 3rd Reich was very interested in obtaining all types of Esoteric and Occult pieces from all around the world, the Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny. They spent a lot of time in Tibet and were influenced by their, and others, ancient teachings.

The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol used for good luck. The Nazi's stole the imagery and reversed it, the intention being it would do the opposite.

en.wikipedia.org...

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This sounds like a plot version of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Great find and cool story

Great find! Man, good stuff for ATS: Buddhists, a meteor, Nazis, theft of artifacts...a Smörgåsbord of ATS curiosities!

/TOA

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Very, very interesting find!!

A was a bit disappointed though by the fact that they call it a statue, when it's only 24 cm tall

I can't help but wonder why they pursued this type of thing, as it's not the first and probably not the last case either... Perhaps there IS truth to all the wild stories (besides the one that have been confirmed, like the horrible crimes committed) that have been circulating ever since the allies started getting information about the nazis?...

Either way, thanks for the share, S&F!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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This sounds like a plot version of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Great find and cool story

I was thinking Indiana Jones.

Interesting story thanks for posting OP.

Raist

They explained all of the nazi imagery of the swastika and hitler, in a video ATS wouldnt allow because it had to do with Hitler.
He wanted the swastika because it was a symbol that could strike fear into people(one reason).

This is a cool twist- space rocks decorated as Gods.


not much else to add other than-- Cool

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

This sounds like a plot version of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Great find and cool story

Or another indianan jones movie.

its one of many buddhist artifacts the nazis looted from tibet ... the "swastika" symbol pre-dates the nazis thousands of years.. they stole it and pervrrted itw true meanings for their own txisted plans.... still waiting to see the day when all the artifacts looted by westerners are reyurned to their rightful places around the world... theres many buddha figures carved from meteorites in asia..

This was definitely a Masonry symbol being used.

rexcurry.net...

I've seen the same symbol used in turn of the century US architecture that was built long before WW2.

There is a theory that the prevailing NWO dreamed up some kind of Mediterranean Renaissance about 1915.

Its based on the works of late 19th century artists and philosophers like Van Gogh (French), Richard Wagner and Nietzsche (German).

Most of the US population is as easy to train as Mr Ed the talking horse so....

The article says the statue is believed to be of Vaisravana, one of the Four Heavenly Kings and guardian of the North:

The character of Vaiśravaṇa is founded upon the Hindu deity Kubera, but although the Buddhist and Hindu deities share some characteristics and epithets, each of them has different functions and associated myths. Although brought into East Asia as a Buddhist deity, Vaiśravaṇa has become a character in folk religion and has acquired an identity that is partially independent of the Buddhist tradition (cf. the similar treatment of Kuan Yin and Yama).

Vaiśravaṇa is the guardian of the northern direction, and his home is in the northern quadrant of the topmost tier of the lower half of Mount Sumeru. He is the leader of all the yakṣas who dwell on the Sumeru's slopes.

I find the relationship with "north" to be of interest since another set of beliefs many of the more mystically-inclined Nazis (such as Himmler) had to do with "Hyperboria" or "Ultima Thule", a mythical posited ancient homeland of the Aryan race they believed had existed in the far north.

In so-called Esoteric Nazism:

....Robert Charroux took a large interest in racialism. According to Charroux Hyperborea was situated between Iceland and Greenland and was the home of a Nordic White race with blonde hair and blue eyes. Charroux claimed that this race was extraterrestrial in origin and had originally come from a cold planet situated far from the sun.[6] Charroux also claimed that the White race of the Hyperboreans and their ancestors the Celts had dominated the whole world in the ancient past. Some of these claims of Charroux have influenced the beliefs of Esoteric Nazism such as the work of Miguel Serrano.

Even now some German women travel to Tibet and get impregnated by those whom they think are real Aryans. Such crap and senseless persistence with logic of a devilish evil man is outright lunacy.

The swastika in Buddhism represents the "mind seal" of enlightenment...not a good luck charm. Tibet's first religion was the Bon religion this is where to dig if you want to know more of what Hilters men were after, Tibetan Buddhism is a mixture of Bon and Buddhism. Aryan is mistaken to mean master race etc. when it actually means "the noble ones" in Pali they are referred to as Arhats, basically fully enlightened beings; not a particular race. At least that is what one finds digging through historical research and cross referencing root terms of Hindu, Pali, and Tibetan further than what old language interpretations did, to see what they were meaning clearly.

I have studied all forms of Buddhism for 22 years as well as the 5 languages it is typically presented in to get better a better understanding of the concepts presented by the Buddha, I haven't bothered to dig into the Bon religious mythos but this thread has peaked my interest to do that; for the sake of seeing what the SS were after...is Aryan a bad interpretation of Arhats I think so, were the Arhats just enlightened beings or a race derived from much earlier beliefs that were thought to enlightened and the enlightened disciples of the Historical Buddha called the same?

The historical Buddha Guatama was not the first to incarnate on this "world system" or planet, according to the Pali Cannon, there have been 27 before the historical Buddha everyone knows; the large laughing Buddha is actually a Chinese monk, that is supposed to reincarnate as the future Buddha Maitreya. It is typically stated that when peoples average age reaches 100 years old a Buddha appears in the world to guide and teach.

For those that don't know, the Buddha is NOT a god, Buddha just means "awake" there is no worship of gods, they are beings on the wheel of life and death just like every other being. The statues of Buddha are not idols to be worshiped, they are bowed to out of respect for the teaching not blind belief or treatment as a god. There is however a branch called pure land; that is like other religions; they treat Buddha as a Jesus, or Muhammad and choose to worship instead of walk the Buddhas path. The gods depicted in Buddhist iconography, are typically depictions of aspects within oneself, they are used to teach in much the same way proverbs is meant too, as an allegory.

I will do some research into Bon and try and find out what Hitlers men were really after, and come back when I have a complete picture of the Bon mythos and how it relates and post it if anyone is interested.

Thanks OP, I was wondering when this might pop up. It's pretty cool isn't it?



I'll tell ya, I don't really know what to make of it but for some reason I am just not settled on some of the things that I have read about the Iron Man statue made from a Siberian meteorite.

www.afp.com...

"The statue was chiseled from an iron meteorite, from a fragment of the Chinga meteorite which crashed into the border areas between Mongolia and Siberia about 15,000 years ago," said investigator Elmar Buchner of Stuttgart University.

There is no way for me to know for sure but to me the thing looks as though it has been cast not 'chisled' or 'carved', as is suggested in other articles...



That kind of 'slag' build-up in there? Isn't that an artifact of casting? How does chiseling produce that?



And how about these areas that seem thin and brittle? That looks like the same type of irregularities I have seen on other cast iron and aluminum objects.

Like I said, I don't know enough about the particulars of metal casting so I would really love some feedback from someone that knows. I think that chisels and carving may have been employed after casting, but I don't think the thing was 'carved' or chiseled' completely from a chunk of meteorite.

Here is his head...



And the swastika on his 'lamen', or whatever it may be, along with the object in his hand...

The exact dating of the carving cannot be established accurately, but its style links it to the pre-Buddhist Bon culture of the 11th century.

Vaisravana was the Buddhist god-king of the North, also known as Jambhala in Tibet.

I want to draw this post to a close, but I would like to suggest that you all check Google Images for images of Vaisravana and Jambhala. You will have to wonder along with me as to how they got from that to our 'Nazi' statue.

Also, to claim outright that it is a Buddhist god-king from pre-buddhist Bon seems awfully sloppy to me. Bon was a heavily syncretic culture from the very distant past that we actually know very little about. which raises the stink of fish for me.

I am definitely not saying that I don't think it is made of the Siberian meteorite. I am just not so sure of it's real origins or maybe even its authenticity as an object of antiquity.

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Lol I guess it depends on what you call arayan. Many planets have many races. We are not just our shells

Originally posted by wrdwzrd
Interesting, thanks for this!

Yes, the 3rd Reich was very interested in obtaining all types of Esoteric and Occult pieces from all around the world, the Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny. They spent a lot of time in Tibet and were influenced by their, and others, ancient teachings.

The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol used for good luck. The Nazi's stole the imagery and reversed it, the intention being it would do the opposite.

en.wikipedia.org...

False.
The swastika the Nazis used is an ancient Germanic symbol representing the sun. Connections to Buddhism are possible, but the Nazis did not "steal" a Buddhist symbol and make it theirs, they used a Germanic symbol with its Germanic meanings.

Swastikas were found in Europe since 3000 B.C.

Originally posted by fedeykin

False.
The swastika the Nazis used is an ancient Germanic symbol representing the sun. Connections to Buddhism are possible, but the Nazis did not "steal" a Buddhist symbol and make it theirs, they used a Germanic symbol with its Germanic meanings.

Swastikas were found in Europe since 3000 B.C.

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I was always convinced that the swastika was taken from the Hindu good luck symbol, I never heard about this being a Germanic symbol of the sun do You have some more info on Your version so I can read up on that please ?

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Nope. That's not why they included the swastika. Yes there are are links to the swastika from Germanic, illyrian history. But this isn't the reason why the nazi's included it. It was a symbol from india. In Hitler's quest to find aryan history, he believed the original aryans came from somewhere in india. Thus using this symbol to show the purity of them.

The use of the swastika was incorporated by Nazi theorists with their conjecture of Aryan cultural descent of the German people. Following the Nordicist version of the Aryan invasion theory, the Nazis claimed that the early Aryans of India, from whose Vedic tradition the swastika sprang, were the prototypical white invaders. The concept of racial purity was an ideology central to Nazism, though it is now considered unscientific

from wiki

eitherway, rather stupid. he destroyed a great symbol. now its thought by so many in the world as a symbol of hate. imagine wearing a shirt with a swastika in any western country, you'd have people trying to kick your butt in no time. only good thing is that it still has its meaning in southern and eastern asia. at least from the countries i've visited