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Not happily. Consider how divided we are. I hate wasting my money supporting wasteful government programs. I want an end to statism and the whole nanny state mentality. I know that I am not alone based on discussions on multiple platforms and in person conversations. Revolution is brewing and not just vs TPTB.
Originally posted by glen200376
Don't we live together already?
It isn't just labels. It is what those labels mean. Statists or collectivists are completely different from individualists. Collectivism and Individualism are just too different from each other.
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by DarthMuerte
Not real sure about the whole "status versus individualist" label, but let's just break it down to simple things such as religious beliefs, political beliefs, and class beliefs....................
I think you in your OP brought out one BIG reason the 99% can ever untite and that is LABELS!!
We in the United States will never unite until one of two things happen......
Christopher Earley, an American management researcher, gave 48 management trainees from southern China and a matched group of 48 management trainees from the USA an ‘in-basket-task’ consisting of 40 separate items requiring between two and five minutes each (Earley, 1989). The task involved such activities as writing memos evaluating plans and rating job candidates’ application forms. Half of the participants from each country were given an individual goal of 20 items; the other half were given a group goal of 200 items to be completed in one hour by 10 people. In addition, half of the participants from either country, both from the group and from the individual goal subsets, were asked to mark each item with their name; the other half turned them in anonymously. The Chinese, collectivist, participants performed best when operating with a group goal and anonymously. They performed worst when operating with individually and with their name marked on their work. The individualist American participants performed best when operating individually and with their work attributed to them personally, and performed very poorly when operating as a group and anonymously.”
That is the problem though. Collectivists cannot abide the presence of Individualists. They must use force to get us to comply with their paradigm. This alone breeds discontent and will eventually lead to conflict.
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
reply to post by DarthMuerte
We don't necessarily have to fully unite and be homogeneous ideologically, but a common respect for fellow humanity is a good place to start.
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
No ones saying we all have to get along..
We simply want fair and equality for all.
Please define those terms. What you consider "fair" and "equal" may not fit my definition. Please give me your definitions. Thanks.
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
We simply want fair and equality for all.
Yes, they do seem to be statist, or more accurately collectivist. For example many of them made huge mistakes taking on student loans and then took majors that did not allow them to achieve gainful employment. Now they want the rest of us to compensate them for mistakes they made. That is collectivism. They refuse and refute individual responsibility.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DarthMuerte
Let's start with some questions.
Why are you under the impression that Occupy is Statist?
ETA to rephrase...
Are you nder the impression that Occupy is Statist? If so, why?edit on 26-9-2012 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)
No, I didn't. It is not my problem that they took out loans they cannot repay. It is not my problem that they took "women's studies" or other such degrees and now cannot find work. They made their choices and need to live with the consequences of those decisions. Just like I have to live with the results of my decisions. It is not your responsibility to fix my problems.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DarthMuerte
You missed the entire content of my statement.
:/