reply to post by tothetenthpower
There isn't one. Neither is there any other religion that hasn't had a generation of persecution in some part of the world or another.
Let me set the criteria for how logic demands that we judge this.
Duration - how long it has occurred
Ubiquity - Where it manifests
Context - under which conditions that it exists. For example: what is the reasoning given for their dislike.
Now do you want to compare? Should I really even need to bother detailing how far worse Jew hatred was and has been for at least 2600 years - with the
Alexandria riots of 38 CE, and much earlier, to 650 BCE, as detailed by the Elephantine paprii:
The Jews had their own Temple to Yahweh which functioned alongside that of the local ram-headed deity, Khnum. The "Petition to Bagoas"
(Sayce-Cowley collection) is a letter written in 407 BCE to Bagoas, the Persian governor of Judea, appealing for assistance in rebuilding the Jewish
temple in Elephantine, which had recently been badly damaged by an anti-Semitic rampage on the part of a segment of the Elephantine
That's back in BIBLICAL times. Then you have the Alexandria riots in the Greco-Roman era; The Jewish wars with Rome in the 2nd century, the
persecutions of the early Byzantium Christians and the subsequent 'dejewification' of Jerusalem; the early Muslim persecutions of the Abbasids, down
to the persecution after 6 day war; only at rare times and place have Muslims treated their Jews with an even modicum of respect; generally, it is was
either complete subjugation, morally, socially, politically and physically to Islam.
And then there were the crusades, whose major victim were Jews; then the inquisition in Spain, whose major target was the Jew; then you have isolated
blood libels here and there throughout Europe from the 1000's to the 1800's; then you have the Cossak persecutions, which left 400,000 Jews dead; then
you have the Czarist pogroms and the public backlash against the Jews which saw thousands of Jews killed by rabid mobs; and then you have the
horrific, hardly needs to be mentioned, extermination pogrom of the Germans, which killed 5-6 million Jews in 6 years, tormenting the Jews of Europe,
spreading filthy completely diabolical lies about them which of course the Christian population had little trouble accepting, and Christian morality
had little problem enabling. And the 'Jewish exodus' from the Arab world which saw 800,000 Jews leave between 1948 and 1967, abandoning (or rather,
given no other choice but to abandon) 50 billion dollars worth of assets.
No community on this planet has been perpetually abused, criticized, and hated, as the Jewish people. It's a FACT. To compare them to Muslims in an
attempt to 'equate' them is to ignore all comprehension of qualitative and quantitative criteria. It's an absurd comparison. It's so clearly an absurd
comparison. You are reaching out something that has no plausible truth to it, yet you insist it is somehow justified to say.
It's pure unadulterated reductionism, reducing a thing which possesses qualitative and quantitative difference to some other example of a similar
thing; they are the same thing, thus, they are the same. That, as a matter of fact, is what clinical psychology calls a schizophrenic reasoning; the
wrong thing is being emphasized. In 2 + 2 = 4, what matters is the educative purpose of learning how to add; to take from this 2 + 2 = 4, some other
idea not of relevance from the purpose, but to insist that this other course has validity because it suits some inner 'logic' in your mind, then
something is wrong with your thinking.
I'm not saying this is you of course. I'm merely saying there are 3 possibilities to this fact: you're either crazy, which I find unlikely; you're
extremely biased, and too emotionally entrenched in your desire to oppose me, or this particular subject, making you completely incapable to emphasize
the proper thing; or, your secret intention is to stir opposition towards Israel, and so you will say and argue whatever you need to in order to
I'm caught between the second and third possibilities.
Of course, I'm not questioning you as a person, you might be a very fine human being capable of great goodness; but here, I find something wrong, and
so I must object to your attempt to create a false perception in peoples minds of Israels guilt.
I don't consider requesting that Israel follow international law unreasonable. Sorry, but it's really not.
I'm talking about the overall emphasis Israel receives vis a vis other member nations of the UN. It's inordinate.
As for radical Islam, yup it's a problem, yes it must addressed.
So these radical Muslims - who are radical - who subscribe to what we would call a radical doctrine, who will resort to every dirty tactic in the book
to effect this chief aim: to gain power for Islam, or in the terms of the Muslim brotherhood's official motto "to die in the way of Allah is our
highest aim". Ok...so how should we deal with this?
War is not the answer, nor does it give Carte Blanche to another nation to act in the same dispicable manner.
Oh...so we should give them some flowers? Hugs and kisses?? This is just not a logical answer. If someone is seen to be a threat, follows a philosophy
and theology that sees power - and not reason - as of the ultimate moral importance, than you better respond in a way that counters his power; you
don't address reason to a group that see's itself in the context of acquiring more power.
That's the intention of Islam. To acquire more power under the pretense of diplomacy. It's genius, because it is SO DIFFERENT from how were accustomed
In Sunni Islam, morality derives 100% validity from the Quran. This is connected to their theological identification of Allah with Power and Will. If
God is power, his ability to convey a message and purpose to man must also accommodate this essential attribute: a book of COMMANDS and DIRECTIVES and
GUIDES for how man should live. The Quran is this book; arabic the language of God. Everything that emanates from this book derives nourishment from
God's direct will, and so every jurisprudential interpolation of every sura in the Quran provides the material for how Muslims should live.
Islam emphasizes power. It splits the world into two categories: Dar Al Islam, and Dar Al Harb. House of Islam, and House of War. When they describe
your territory as 'war', that basically says what they intend with you. It's all out war. Every time they shake your hand and speak words of peace,
each of these acts are necessitated by the need to acquire power for Islam, to make Dar Al Islam larger, and Dar Al Harb smaller.
I'm not saying all Muslims do this, but the theology of Sunni Islam makes clear this is the aim of their religion, and so, very likely that many
mainstream, sharia abiding Muslims are indeed a constant threat to everyone in the non-Islamic world.
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