Romney Fooling America

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
He hides his money offshore to gain the advantage of keeping more of his money than is FAIR. He CHEATS the country of his fair share.

Ahhhhh ... so it comes down to your subjective interpretation of 'fair'. It is back to the 'spread the wealth' stuff. Those who earn more somehow 'owe' everyone else their income simply because they make more and legally use the system that is in place. Subjective. Okay .. got it ... (again).

reply to post by FlyersFan


Exactly! It's no wonder Romney is the nominee. Look at his competition. Any one of them would be doing worse than he is.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You're totally misrepresenting what I'm saying, but that's your choice, too.

reply to post by spinalremain


I agree he is a joke. In a field of idiots, some would say he was the best of the bunch, but we all know that polls and statistics said that Ron Paul had the best chance of defeating Obama.

The arguing about these two is absolutely pointless. I hear "Obama is a socialist"...I hear attacks at Romney....but as it has been said, they are puppet men and regardless what title you attach to either of them to somehow make your pathetic existence seem better...it doesn't matter. It's all distractions to keep us divided and scatter brained. If we stop arguing, we might actually come to the correct answers...."they" do not want that.

If you think that Romney is going to make any improvements in anything...you are only betraying yourself. I know...you think you need to hope....I'm sorry....there is none. You need to stop clawing for it, it's not there...regardless how much you "think" you can have it....it's an illusion and you are only fooling yourself.

"Abandon all hope ye who enter here"... In this case...it's the voting booth.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You're totally misrepresenting what I'm saying, but that's your choice, too.

Nope. I get it. You are doing the 'spread the wealth' thing and ignoring that the guy is following the letter of the tax law. If you think he 'owes' the government because he makes more, and you want him to pay more of his money into the system to support Obamacare or whatever, then the tax laws should be changed. But as it is .. he isn't 'cheating'. He's using the system that is in place. Why on earth would he hand over his money if he doesn't have to? That would be silly.

I still say that the government should quit it's piss poor spending practices and then everyone in the country could use the lower 'investment income tax rate' instead of the 'earned income tax rate'. No reason to raise Romneys investment income tax rate ... we all should have our earned income tax rate LOWERED.

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
You are doing the 'spread the wealth' thing and ignoring that the guy is following the letter of the tax law.

1. ANY time the government takes money from one group and gives it to another, they are "spreading the wealth". In the past 40 years, the government has been using our tax laws to redistribute the wealth from the middle class UP to the wealthy. The fact that wealthy people pay LESS percentage than we do is redistribution, so the accusation doesn't bother me at all.

2. Romney is behaving within the tax law (AS FAR AS WE KNOW). I have never said anything different. SO, I'm not ignoring that fact.

If you think he 'owes' the government because he makes more,

I don't think he owes MORE, I think he owes what he owes. And he hides his money so he doesn't have to pay what he owes.

But as it is .. he isn't 'cheating'. He's using the system that is in place.

Next time some woman is getting stoned, I'll remind you that it's legal, so you have no business saying it's "wrong". It's legal. And that's all that matters.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Grimpachi
He is also giving it to himself through his own charity then writing it off on his taxes.

The big deal is he didn't file for the deduction so it would inflate his Taxes to above 14% but he can later take the deduction after the election. Romney stated he has never paid under 14% in taxes but if he keeps to his other statement that he never pays more than he has to then he is lying.

IS IT LEGAL? If it's legal, then it's a loophole that can be closed.

You all can't fault a business man for legally using the system that is in place. Well .. you CAN fault him all you want .. but you'd be in error for saying he 'cheats' if he is following the rule of law and trying to keep the money he has earned.

One of the things that makes this a big deal that he is not filing for the deduction right now that way he can say HEY look I am paying over 14% like I told everyone but when he does file probably after the election which he is legally entitled to do the tax rate he pays will be below 14%.

Now do you see the big deal? He is trying to fool all the voters.

Either which way he is a lying about his taxes. This is probably why he will not release his taxes like we want.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Next time some woman is getting stoned, I'll remind you that it's legal, so you have no business saying it's "wrong". It's legal. And that's all that matters.

Oh please. There is a huge difference and you know it. You are sticking your own subjective moral judgement on Romney - something you continually charge the 'right to lifers' of doing when they picket abortion clinics.

Why on earth would he volunteer to give more of his money to the government, which will just waste it, if he doesn't have to? That would be STUPID of him to do so. If you have such a big problem with the lower tax rate for 'investment income' .. then take it up with the law makers. Bottom line .. he didn't cheat.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I don't care what he does with his money.

But any man that would tie a dog to the top of a car for a 12 hr trip is morally incompetent.

www.inquisitr.com...

And how the GOP could promote a fool like Romney is astonishing as is your defense of him.

reply to post by Grimpachi


It's his money.

If he finds legal ways of KEEPING HIS MONEY then more power to him.

More class warfare tripe!

But please, everyone carry on and bash someone for having more money than you.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Lets see how many U.S. Senators and House Members take the standard Deduction on their taxes? Not many, I'm betting. The point is everyone in the U.S. wants to pay as little in possible in taxes. I don't think there is anyone who gives the government more money then they legally should.

If you structure your financial life correctly you can even offset the Estate Tax on Death ( currently 35% soon to be 55%) with proper planning. On a Ten Million Dollar Estate, that would be about 1.7M in Estate Taxes. It's all about having the people who know the laws to work it to your advantage.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

It's his money.

If he finds legal ways of KEEPING HIS MONEY then more power to him.

More class warfare tripe!

But please, everyone carry on and bash someone for having more money than you.

He and his ilk get to keep a higher percentage of income than us peasants due to the tax loopholes that they bought.

That is the true class warfare.

But please, go ahead and try to convince anyone earning the average income that it's fair.

Geezus lame MSnbc talking points.

Romney makes his cash of captial gains tax Not as pay roll taxes then to use that same lame MSNBC talking point Romney pays all those other taxes:property,sales and all that other jazz those people who are deriding Romney as "not paying his fair share" is in fact:

Paying more than those are are crying "cheater".

So what if Romney has money offshore as if no American before him ever put money off shore or what the hell do people think foreign aid is?

Romney isn't fooling America the people who just can't stand Romney or the right is not fooling anyone either,.

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

It's his money.

If he finds legal ways of KEEPING HIS MONEY then more power to him.

More class warfare tripe!

But please, everyone carry on and bash someone for having more money than you.

He and his ilk get to keep a higher percentage of income than us peasants due to the tax loopholes that they bought.

That is the true class warfare.

But please, go ahead and try to convince anyone earning the average income that it's fair.

Who writes the tax loopholes?

Oh yeah, the politicians.

reply to post by BritofTexas


In 2013, the Long Term Capital Gains rate will be 20%, even that won't be enough for people like you. Be careful what you wish for, you might end up regretting it. Every time the Capital gains rate has been lowered, overall revenues from Capital Gains has risen. More taxation of everyone is NOT the answer to our problems. Balancing a Budget is the start.

www.mymoneyblog.com... e-household-level.html
Some stats about the US government:

U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Now, remove 8 zeroes and pretend it’s a household budget:

Annual family income: $21,700
Money the family spent: $38,200
New debt on the credit card: $16,500
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
Total budget cuts: $385

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

It's his money.

If he finds legal ways of KEEPING HIS MONEY then more power to him.

More class warfare tripe!

But please, everyone carry on and bash someone for having more money than you.

He and his ilk get to keep a higher percentage of income than us peasants due to the tax loopholes that they bought.

That is the true class warfare.

But please, go ahead and try to convince anyone earning the average income that it's fair.

Who writes the tax loopholes?

Oh yeah, the politicians.

Who lobbies the politicians?

Oh yeah, the Corporations.

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

It's his money.

If he finds legal ways of KEEPING HIS MONEY then more power to him.

More class warfare tripe!

But please, everyone carry on and bash someone for having more money than you.

He and his ilk get to keep a higher percentage of income than us peasants due to the tax loopholes that they bought.

That is the true class warfare.

But please, go ahead and try to convince anyone earning the average income that it's fair.

Who writes the tax loopholes?

Oh yeah, the politicians.

Who lobbies the politicians?

Oh yeah, the Corporations.

So you just generally assume politicians are bent, spineless, amoral wastes of flesh bound by the evil corporations.


Occupy much?

reply to post by beezzer


Corporations are evil.......Corporations are evil.............Now give me a job,give me free healthcare,education,cell phones etc.

Quite hypocricital aren't they?

Romney's donations have nothing to do with his qualifications to be president. Neither does his tax bracket. What matters is being able to create jobs, and stabilize the wrecked economy we have now. Anyway you cut it Obama has failed to do either.
I don't have a dog in this race since I choose not to participate in the corrupt political system at all, but Obama has had 4 years and we are not stronger or better off than we were.

I don't think Romney has all the answers either and I sincerely doubt that he has the Reagan like ability to influence a Democrat controlled congress. But focusing on his donations or his tax bracket is just a lame attempt to distract people from Obama's failure to lead.

reply to post by neo96


Of course. Don't you DARE say anything about personal responsibility, or doing something for yourself!

Hate the rich, damn the corporations (but gimme an iPhone5) and pray to government for everything.