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WOW, Now I understand it all! Why I am a "observer" and "observing" myself - there is only ME!

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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by arpgme
 

Solipsism can also be the hallmark of vain narcissism, and in some cases sociopathology when the distinction between self and other is blurred or removed.

It can also drain away the possibility of God's love within the framework of an indespensible I-thou relationship WITH God as the absolute whereby love to BE love must involve the love shared between a beloved and beloved other.

You sound like a very lonely kitty, imho. I would offer to hug you, but from your POV it would just be you hugging you anyway, so why bother..?


Because I love Me and since there is only me. I love this so-called "You" also. You say, "Why bother"? You don't like to make yourself happy when you are suffering? Compassion is really self-love because there is only self.

And even if you said you didn't love yourself - and we are the same so you don't love me - that would just be another beautiful perspective - not one that I share - I love me and all are me so I see beauty in all - but I still see the beauty in your perspective that you wouldn't bother to give yourself a hug if you were feeling "down".

It is just me seeing myself from another perspective.
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Thank you! It's nice to know that I am not responsible for the bad things I do. Phew! What a relief.

So, when are you going to trade places with the you that is Charles Manson in prison?
Worse, your the priests that abused all those children!
But, never mind that for now, because as leader of Iran, please stop trying to gain nuclear capabilities?
And all those Islamic extremist yous, please blow yourself up!

Still think you're everything?



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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I am not you and you are not me.

Unity in variety!



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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The flour/dough IS the flour. Just because different things are within does not make the flour itself different it is just flour mixed with other things.

There are different flours.


Existence exists. Non-existence is non-existent. "To be" is everything, everything is "To be".

It is all the same at it's core.

Large vague sweeping generalities don't prove anything.


Beauty is what it is. Even the perspective of "Ugliness" is beautiful, how? Because ALL is beauty and BEAUTY is being seen from different perspectives - so even labeling it as "ugly" is seeing it from another perspective - making it still a sight of beauty.

Sorry but no. You chose the word to describe something which may be considered beautiful or ugly but that really isn't either.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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I had a very profound experience once that concluded with the same understanding. I had this almost vision, that I was not directing, just observing, where this spark of conciousness created the big bang, forming matter out of nothing and into everything, in order to experience itself completely. It ended when I realized that all life is really just the same energy in different vessels. I think scientifically, all this can best be summed up by Sagan's observation, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself". There is far more spirituality in science than people give credit for.



I do not believe consciousness resides in the brain, as another poster argued, rather, I like the idea that the brain acts as a buffer/filter for consciousness, so it does not overwhelm us. I do not believe an individual's consciousness is retained after death, rather, we rejoin the greater form of consciousness we all were prior to our lives in bodies. And when I say "believe", I use this word rather loosely. No way to know, or never know, until it's all said and done, or until science can find it, and manipulate it.

I also believe that there is value in retaining individual identity in order to help facilitate this process, but not revisiting the thoughts and feelings of I AM, is self-defeating. I can see no greater source of compassion, than to realize we are all just different expressions of One. Don't listen to the people telling you this is unhealthy, they just don't get it.
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by jiggerj
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Thank you! It's nice to know that I am not responsible for the bad things I do. Phew! What a relief.

So, when are you going to trade places with the you that is Charles Manson in prison?
Worse, your the priests that abused all those children!
But, never mind that for now, because as leader of Iran, please stop trying to gain nuclear capabilities?
And all those Islamic extremist yous, please blow yourself up!

Still think you're everything?


You are also me, so everything you just said is me talking to myself. And all so-called "negativities" and "positivity" of the world are also you. You are ALL, YOU are ME, I am BEAUTY expressing as physical.

There is no other to trade "from" or "to". There are other expressions of me, but THIS form is THIS form and THAT form is THAT form, but

I AM form itself and I am the formless... Beauty.

This "FORM" just happen to make this thread and saying it now...


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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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I am not you and you are not me.

Unity in variety!


The so-called "Unity" is "I" as "FORMLESS BEAUTY" expressing itself into FORM which is all existence whether spirit/energy or material.

There are different "Forms" but they are all connected to the Formless ME beauty. And all Forms are also me since all forms are essence of beauty.
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Well I guess you put a new spin on the old axiom of "love your neighbor as yourself"!



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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There is no you.
There never was, nor will be.


Originally posted by arpgme
There are other things existing than matter.....


If they exist, then they must have substance - matter.
If you say something has existence, it has to have a way to exist, via substance, via matter.
That IS all there is or can be.
Otherwise, it is only thoughts. The neural/eletrical activity of thoughts exist, but the content of thought is virtual, and does not exist, as such. It may refer to things that do exist in reality, or it may not, but it is symbolic representation only.

Snoopy is correct.

You are correct in that all is ultimately one, but you are incorrect in saying there is a 'you' that is that one. Don't get stuck half-way to reality, you may as well finish the journey.

There is no you. You are not everything. You are a thought only. When the material that allows that thought to exist decays, so ends the illusion of you.
Keep going.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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The you you gave a pretty clever response to the me you.The me you thought it was funny.


It's cool that the you you and the me you like each other, isnt it?

Ha I knew the you you was going to feel that way!

Sincerely, the me you



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Well I guess you put a new spin on the old axiom of "love your neighbor as yourself"!


Ah. That statement sounds very true. I guess "loving your neighbor as yourself!" shouldn't be something that you think you "SHOULD" be doing. It happens naturally since I just see others as have a core essence of beauty just like me - so we are one.

Individuality is beauty, so even individuality is connected to the root. Maybe that is what you meant by "unity through variety".

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There is no such thing as non-existence. Non-existence is non-existent. Only existence exists.

There is actual existence (what we see in reality ) and imaginary existence (ideas, thoughts, concepts, abstract) but ALL exists, there is no non-existence, non-existence can not exist.


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Originally posted by grubblesnert
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The you you gave a pretty clever response to the me you.The me you thought it was funny.


It's cool that the you you and the me you like each other, isnt it?

Ha I knew the you you was going to feel that way!

Sincerely, the me you


That is funny from this perspective of me. I hope I understood it correctly on this end...



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Do you ever get lonely? Do you feel sadness?

This perspective of yourself has throughly enjoyed your thread. Just had to ask myself a couple of questions.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Okay, what am I (you) thinking right now? And, no, I'm not thinking you're an idiot or anything like that.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by arpgme


There is no such thing as non-existence. Non-existence is non-existent. Only existence exists.

There is actual existence (what we see in reality ) and imaginary existence (ideas, thoughts, concepts, abstract) but ALL exists, there is no non-existence, non-existence can not exist.



But there is such a thing as non-existence. What doesn't exist, DOESN'T EXIST.
Did you think I was implying that non-existence 'exists'? Because that's just semantic loopiness. You may replace 'a YOU does not exist' with 'is an imagined existence only', if that helps.

The non-existence of anything can be unnecessarily deified, and take a shape it doesn't have. But this shape is really just the negative space left by it popping out of imagined existence, akin to removing a false idea unnecesarily projected over actual reality.

Maybe be more specific if you were responding to a certain assertion of mine.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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You are thinking about how you are going to answer your own question. Kinda fun when you play along. It's beautiful, actually.




posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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If you will suggest an avatar that is more depicting of "beauty", then please display it. I will tell myself that such a new avatar should be considered, depending on it's appeal.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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It IS a fun thought experiment in empathy.

Still just a thought though.

"Malkovich?"



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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You shall help others but not please them. Keep your rainbow-poptart-cat avatar.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Druid42
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You are thinking about how you are going to answer your own question. Kinda fun when you play along. It's beautiful, actually.



Yes, I am beautiful. I mean You are. No, no, he is! I'm so confeeeeeewsed!



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Mostly true when you get to the core of things. But we don't live in the core, we live on the surface!

This form of thought can become a slippery slope though, as a person thinking like this can start becoming very possessive with mind sets like "what's mine is mine" with the consideration that what's theirs is "everything." It's the same issue that people ran into with religion:

"But wait, it's ok that I hurt him! God made me do it!"

"But wait, it's ok that I hurt him! I'm everyone!"

See what I mean?





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