Originally posted by Variable
I have a buddy who has lived there for years. He doesn't paint the society that well to me. Although he likes it, I must say. There are a lot of
folks who don't like to work, they expect a siesta break during the afternoon. They party late into the night. The have pot legal for personal
consumption. Getting anything in like a phone or internet took years, they have a graft system. So getting a new phone, unless you pay the right
people, can be a long wait. Great history and museums. It's very backwards compared to other parts of Europe. It has been that way for years. I
don't think Spain represents anything but Spain, well.. possibly Greece is similar. They need systemic change and probably what they consider
"Conservatives" couldn't do it.
I don't think there is a lot of MSM coverage because Spain has made its bed and has to lie in it. This is not new or unexpected. Greece had calmed
down but now Spain is firing up. Socialism only works if its well funded. Evidently Spain's socialism isn't well funded.
Me being of Italian descent (though admittedly not having lived there), I think I understand where this is coming from, though I have to disagree.
In Europe there is this feeling that everyone should be equal, and I mean almost completely equal, as in; "We pay taxes, so should they!!!" or "We
work every day, so should they!!!", it kind of reminds me of two children, with one of both having to do a chore and the other getting the time off.
The one having to do the chore is likely to make a fuss about how the other child doesn't have to help, gets to enjoy his free time, etc...
Yes, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks,... take their time to enjoy, relax, to de-stress, though de-stressing is not how they see it let alone call it.
It's a more natural way of living, a more natural one than the rest of Europe and the US is used to, and I think, one many people are really envious
of, and can't stand others having the luxury of, so they wish for it to be taken from them as well, they call them lazy, spoiled, etc...
But think about it for a second please. Do you think an average working person lives a natural life? As nature (according to me) intended it? Does
working 9 to 5 and getting in trouble for relaxing during noon, really sound like a rational life to anyone? It doesn't to me, people should be
protesting to get the same rights, not to take those of others they envy... Besides, if you want something NOW, well, then why don't you make sure
you get it NOW? Why do you (not intended at you specifically) expect others to do so for you, and when they don't, think it's right to insult them,
blame them, etc...?
If you want a phone faster, make it so you get the phone faster. If a person or a group of people don't act the way you desire from them, can you
really blame them? Or does the finger actually point both ways?
Who are we going to demand change from when the Greeks, Italians, Spaniards,... stop "being lazy"? The Africans?
Funny anecdote, because I fear this might offend some people;
My father did some charity work in Africa, Senegal, to be exact. It was just him and a friend who goes there multiple times a year to help the local
population (on his own expense), so no big organization working as a barrier or anything, just the two of them, and the local people.
Did you know that (and I'm ONLY talking about Senegal here) most people there are actually quite happy? Many of them don't even know what 9 to 5
means, they get up in the morning, work, eat, relax, and go to bed, the activities during the day are interchangeable, during my father's stay there,
he had a lot of difficulties adjusting to the fact that TIME is not a 24/7 thing like it is here... (It was Ramadan at the time so they did use time
as they can't eat or drink anything before 8 o'clock, but besides that, there is not much awareness of time, and the little awareness there was, was
due to the mosques etc announcing the daily end of the fast etc etc)
He specifically recalled the people there being happy, the only thing that DID lack though was proper medical care, which according to me is largely
due to funds not being used properly, both by the governments there, and the charity organizations. That's why the charity my father's friend does
specifically involves lasting projects, feeding a family will last them maybe a month, building a school on the other hand will serve generations to
Of course I have to be realistic here and add that many perhaps dream of living a Western lifestyle, chasing fortune, acquiring materialistic
'needs' etc, but one has to ask if this is their nature at work here, or if it's simply the experience they crave, because it looks like us
Westerners are having such a great time (on the outside, I'm sure leading a busy life only to end the day in the couch watching television looks very
appealing, though having experienced it, not so much..