Originally posted by WhiteHat
“The ignorant Christians burn the Quran and don’t understand that the result will be that Jesus becomes an illegitimate child.”
That was funny.
Jesus life was long over and the New Testament was complete when the Quran was written; they didn't contribute with anything to the compilation of the
Bible or to the Jesus story. They twisted their own version of an existent gospel, probably to get more credibility for their new prophet. And now
they pretend to be somehow contributed to the "legitimacy" of Jesus.
I wouldn't waste my time following statements like these.
I just found some Jewish Rabbinical writings concerning this "Bastard" individual.. if those writings are real, then what the Ayatollah states is
correct and he is trying to claim that Islam solidified and gave greater Truth still to the Idea of Jesus Christ "The Prophet".. (In Aramaic, God is
spelled Allaha-- and if you have ever listened to Aramaic it is actually pretty much Arabic..) In any case, Muslims accept J.C. but ONLY as prophet,
and not as God or Lord. They also accept the V. Birth but you guys probably already know this-- It's The JEWISH community and Rabbinic Thought that
discredited the belief in the miracle or divinity of J.C. Here is an excerpt to a link I recently found, in hopes of figuring out where this
Ayatollah Khorsani was coming from with the statements that he made:
"The evidence of the Rabbis"
The Jewish records of the Rabbis are of extreme importance in determining Gospel origins and the value of the church presentation of the virgin birth
story of Jesus Christ. A common appellation for Jesus in the Talmud was Yeshu'a ben Panthera, an allusion to the widespread Jewish belief during the
earliest centuries of the Christian era that Jesus was the result of an illegitimate union between his mother and a Roman soldier named Tiberius
Julius Abdes Panthera.
The Talmud enshrines within its pages Jewish oral law. It is divided into two parts, the Mishna and the Gemara. The first discusses such subjects as
festivals and sacred things. The Gemara, is basically a commentary on these subjects. When the Talmud was written is not known. Some authorities
suggest a date of 150-160, around the same time the Christian Gospels began to emerge, while others say 450.
The Talmud writers mentioned Jesus' name twenty times and quite specifically documented that he was born an illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called
Panthera, nicknamed the "Panther". Panthera's existence was confirmed by the discovery of a mysterious tombstone at Bingerbrück in Germany. The
engraving etched in the headstone read:
Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera, an archer, native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9AD was transferred to service in Rhineland (Germany). 1
This inscription added fuel to the theory that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the soldier Panthera. Classical scholar Professor Morton
Smith of the Columbia University USA, described the tombstone as possibly `our only genuine relic of the holy family.' 2 In many Jewish references,
Jesus was often referred to as 'ben Panthera', 'ben' meaning, 'son of'. However cautious one ought to be in accepting anything about Jesus from Jewish
sources, in the matter of Jesus 'ben Panthera', the writers seem more consistent than the men we now call the church fathers.
Scholars, for centuries, have discussed at length why Jesus was so regularly called ben Panthera. Adamantius Origen, an early Christian historian and
church father (185-251), recorded the following verses about Mary from the research records of a highly regarded Second Century historian and author
named Celsus (c. 178):
Mary was turned out by her husband, a carpenter by profession, after she had been convicted of unfaithfulness. Cut off by her spouse, she gave birth
to Jesus, a bastard; that Jesus, on account of his poverty was hired out to go to Egypt; that while there he acquired certain (magical) powers which
Egyptians pride themselves on possessing.3
Later, in passage 1:32, Origen supported the Jewish records and confirmed that the paramour of the mother of Jesus was a Roman soldier called
Panthera, a name he repeated in verse 1:69. Sometime during the 17th Century, those sentences were erased from the oldest Vatican manuscripts and
other codices under church control. 4
The traditional church writings of St Epiphanius, the Bishop of Salamis (315-403) again confirmed the ben Panthera story and his information was of a
startling nature. This champion of Christian orthodoxy and saint of Roman Catholicism frankly stated:
Jesus was the son of a certain Julius whose surname was Panthera. 5
This was an extraordinary declaration simply recorded in ancient records as accepted church history. The ben Panthera legend was so widespread that
two early stalwarts of the Christian church inserted the name in the genealogies of Jesus and Mary as a matter of fact.
Enlarging on that statement, this passage from the Talmud:
Rabbi Shiemon ben Azzai has said: I found' in Jerusalem a book of genealogies; therein was written that Such-an-one (Jesus) is the bastard son of an
'Such-an-one' was one of the well-known substitutes for Jesus in the Talmud, as has been proved and admitted on either side. Shiemon ben Azzai
HERE IS THAT LINK!!! www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
edit on 25-9-2012 by tony9802 because: err