This is NOT paranormal. Possible prowler...?

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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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It's here for lack of a better place to put it. Last night, I and my g/f were in the kitchen, there was a burst of noise from next door, and then, the structural components (door frames, supporting walls, etc) were being walked upon. By a person. The doorframes and walls were popping, creaking, and snapping, and this noise slowly went over our heads, and quit when I banged on the ceiling, yelled some expletives, and told them to "knockitoff!". Just FYI: We live on the top floor. Nothing but roof above us.

I told the apt complex office about it- they said to dial security next time. I also want proof so I dont sound like a nut. I am 90% sure there's someone living over our heads in the crawlspace, and I am almost completely sure they got in there next door. There's more than enough weird noises and too many people coming in and out of a 1 bedroom apartment at all hours of the night.

It isnt a squirrel. They make those skittering noises. A cat would as well- and it'd take something of considerable mass to make the place make the noises it did. I used to be a drywall cleanup person- and people walking above me on certain jobs could make a section of house creak like an old ship and they were simply clomping around on the support beams. This was a "sneaking", the walls and ceiling are pretty thick, so footsteps might be muffled if they were walking normally. Since they were sneaking, and we had ambient sounds going as well, all we heard were the support structures taking weight.


Short of drilling holes in the ceiling (My lease will self destruct), what can I do?
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Contact the police first, then call your apartment security and let them know police are on their way.

Could be squatters and/or drug production going on above you.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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UGH. The boarding house we were in had drugs going on to the point they were permeating the walls. I am willing to bet if we took a drug test, we'd come up positive. We dont do drugs.

I will contacting security first tonight, and then cops, so I am going the right way 'command' wise. No sense having parties uninformed and stuff. I am doing school at the moment.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Sounds like its some one up there.

Let us know the out come it sounds interesting.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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If you know drywall, then, drilling those holes, or even cutting a sizable one for a look, where you then patch and repaint/texture over, might be a pain, but, certainly doable.

I would, however, recommend calling police next time.
Forget security. Call police FIRST, THEN call security to inform them that police are on the way so they won't drag their booties.

I had a friend that once lived in an apartment across the hall from a drug dealer, and due all the suspicious activity, being a former Marine Corps recon specialist, he logged EVERYTHING, took pictures of everyone that came and went, as well as their vehicles and license plates, kept bothering the police letting them know he was keeping a log, and eventually when the SWAT teams showed up, he handed over a copy of the log material burned to DVDs to the investigating officers.

Key words that police seem to like to hear are "funny smells", "burning smells", "strong chemical odor", "guns". "lots of foot traffic".

I think one of the Mods/owners/site admins/staff here at ATS is/was in law enforcement.
Finding out who that was/is and sending them a U2U for advice might be a good bet.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by wylekat
 


If you know drywall, then, drilling those holes, or even cutting a sizable one for a look, where you then patch and repaint/texture over, might be a pain, but, certainly doable.

I would, however, recommend calling police next time.
Forget security. Call police FIRST, THEN call security to inform them that police are on the way so they won't drag their booties.

I had a friend that once lived in an apartment across the hall from a drug dealer, and due all the suspicious activity, being a former Marine Corps recon specialist, he logged EVERYTHING, took pictures of everyone that came and went, as well as their vehicles and license plates, kept bothering the police letting them know he was keeping a log, and eventually when the SWAT teams showed up, he handed over a copy of the log material burned to DVDs to the investigating officers.

Key words that police seem to like to hear are "funny smells", "burning smells", "strong chemical odor", "guns". "lots of foot traffic".

I think one of the Mods/owners/site admins/staff here at ATS is/was in law enforcement.
Finding out who that was/is and sending them a U2U for advice might be a good bet.





No smells, and so far, havent seen guns- its mostly foot traffic, tho. A few odd things I noticed was when they'd have the door wide open, and I'd glance that way to make sure I dont get run over- There's next to no furniture in the living room. "wood" (linoleum) floors, yet, we hear furniture being moved several times a week. HEAVY furniture. There was one day, I was headed out. I come out the door, start to lock it, and the door next door went "click". Nothing else. I thought it was odd, started up the walkway, and VERY quietly.. someone snuck out the door and was behind me. Not in a 'robbery sneak'- more of a "if I dont make noise, no one will notice me" sneak.

I think there's an illegal immigration station next door more than drugs- but I could be wrong.

As for the cops... Ugh. Corrupt doesnt cover my experiences with them. Incompetent might cover the other half.

Here's why: (from a thread about "this is why we dont respect cops". Easier to cut and paste)

Me and my g/f lived in a boarding house for a while. A true, actual, literal lunatic moved in down the hall. He ate his walls, wallowed in trash, screamed and yelled stuff that not only made no sense, it was insane enough to send shivers down the spine of a statue.

One night, he broke into all of the other rooms. ALL of the doors are busted in but his. We called the cops, who belittled US, insulted US, threatened US, and not only took his side, they did proper police procedure when he claimed the stuff he stole from US was his AND it had been stolen! the cops sided with the criminal against all of the residents AND the owner of the property.

After the cops said they 'checked' his room- 95% of the stuff was found in it- RIGHT where we told the cops to look. He'd left by then.

I will be documenting, tho. that way, if worse comes to worst, I will have my bottom covered legally.

I dont say this lightly: if I could find an non corrupt cop, I'd be talking to him about this.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Being the caretaker of a large apartment complex, I put myself in your shoes for a moment and my answer is the same as others. Call the police first, and then building security. Now if it was me, I'd be up there in a heart beat, especially if it was a reoccurring thing.
It has been my experience that building management, at least where I am, really does want a secure building, so we would be on it if it happened here, however, I cannot speak for your building and manager.
Also the problem arises of your neighbors right to privacy. The police cannot just barge into their apartment because there are strange noises above you. Even if you see traffic coming and going a lot, which often is drug related no doubt, it is hearsay, and they cannot act on it considering the problem is with noises above, and not from the apartment next door.

Building maintenance/security can only enter an apartment unannounced in the event of a catastrophic failure of some kind, such as a water leak into an apartment below or a fire.

You NEED to talk with building management and security, and see if between you all there can be a plan for if it happens again. Also maintenance should be able to access the space above you from multiple places, shouldn't just be one apartment. Most of our accesses are in the hallways on the third floor to the crawlspace between it and the roof.
As this is an ongoing issue, I would think the building management would have cause for concern. You just have to be persistent with them, and always keep it professional.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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useful resource?

Animals aren't really conscientious about disturbing the peace. Seems if a person was doing it, they'd try to be more quiet?

Dang-it, things are getting expensive.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
Being the caretaker of a large apartment complex, I put myself in your shoes for a moment and my answer is the same as others. Call the police first, and then building security. Now if it was me, I'd be up there in a heart beat, especially if it was a reoccurring thing.
It has been my experience that building management, at least where I am, really does want a secure building, so we would be on it if it happened here, however, I cannot speak for your building and manager.
Also the problem arises of your neighbors right to privacy. The police cannot just barge into their apartment because there are strange noises above you. Even if you see traffic coming and going a lot, which often is drug related no doubt, it is hearsay, and they cannot act on it considering the problem is with noises above, and not from the apartment next door.

Building maintenance/security can only enter an apartment unannounced in the event of a catastrophic failure of some kind, such as a water leak into an apartment below or a fire.

You NEED to talk with building management and security, and see if between you all there can be a plan for if it happens again. Also maintenance should be able to access the space above you from multiple places, shouldn't just be one apartment. Most of our accesses are in the hallways on the third floor to the crawlspace between it and the roof.
As this is an ongoing issue, I would think the building management would have cause for concern. You just have to be persistent with them, and always keep it professional.





Unless the management and/or security are in on it. Looking the other way and getting paid a few hundred for their silence. I agree with the others, call the cops FIRST.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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I have talked to the management about this. They think I heard an animal, and they're going to have pest control have a look. If that was an animal, they'd better bring shotguns. BIG shotguns. anything that can make the doorframes and support walls pop like that aint no squirrel. The apt complex has been informed- it's talking to the cops I dont like (see last post). I'd rather crawl up there myself, naked with a crowbar than talk to the cops, due to how they handle stuff. Like I said- if I could find an actual, real cop, and not a greasy, donut stuffed turkey, I'd have been talking to one well before now.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by loveguy
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useful resource?

Animals aren't really conscientious about disturbing the peace. Seems if a person was doing it, they'd try to be more quiet?

Dang-it, things are getting expensive.



There were no animal footfall noises- and like I said- the support components of the ceiling were cracking and popping- like a huge weight was going over. Something HUGE (as opposed to a rodent or cat) was up there.

Or a 350 lb squirrel.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by DAVID64

Originally posted by Darkblade71
Being the caretaker of a large apartment complex, I put myself in your shoes for a moment and my answer is the same as others. Call the police first, and then building security. Now if it was me, I'd be up there in a heart beat, especially if it was a reoccurring thing.
It has been my experience that building management, at least where I am, really does want a secure building, so we would be on it if it happened here, however, I cannot speak for your building and manager.
Also the problem arises of your neighbors right to privacy. The police cannot just barge into their apartment because there are strange noises above you. Even if you see traffic coming and going a lot, which often is drug related no doubt, it is hearsay, and they cannot act on it considering the problem is with noises above, and not from the apartment next door.

Building maintenance/security can only enter an apartment unannounced in the event of a catastrophic failure of some kind, such as a water leak into an apartment below or a fire.

You NEED to talk with building management and security, and see if between you all there can be a plan for if it happens again. Also maintenance should be able to access the space above you from multiple places, shouldn't just be one apartment. Most of our accesses are in the hallways on the third floor to the crawlspace between it and the roof.
As this is an ongoing issue, I would think the building management would have cause for concern. You just have to be persistent with them, and always keep it professional.





Unless the management and/or security are in on it. Looking the other way and getting paid a few hundred for their silence. I agree with the others, call the cops FIRST.


Problem is- the cops are right up there on the corrupt list. Previous experience painfully spelled that out for us.

My cat did more to stop that insane fool than the cops, to be honest. I wish I was there to see my cat (he aint small), who is timid, mild, and something of a coward do whatever the hell it was *he* did to get himself shut in a closet by a lunatic holding 2 hammers and a vareity of knives, and come out without even a hair out of place...!



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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I understand your distrust of the police department, but really, when you are on the right side of the law, they really can and do help. That is their job. I guess maybe my experience with police is different than yours though.
I don't mistrust them until they personally wrong me, which has only happened once.
I deal with the police on an almost regular basis here, and they have been most helpful.
Before I worked in the job I do now, I too was very mistrustful, so I don't blame you.

Pest control from building management is the way to go for now at least. They can get up there and look for evidence of animals or people, then if it is people, the police would be much more likely to be involved later.
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Have you figured out what/who is up there yet? I'd be cautious as they may be violent - if they are willing to live in a crawl space they definitely aren't the most appropriate member of society; that's for sure.

Good luck and yes cops are corrupt! Everyone is though :/



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Definatly call the cops.. it might not be someone living up there it could be the neighbor,maintnance, or whoever giong up there to spy on you and your gf. Possiblt installed cameras. Its totally possible a lot of pervs out there and stuff like that is always on the news. It might just some perv spying now but you never know what goes on in peoples head, next they might do something more serious.

I would call the cops, better to be safe then sorry. If you can wait till you hear them up there then call right away so they catch them red handed. If you do keep a weapon handy and get your gf some pepper spray and tell her to keep close at all times. Also if she's home alone tell her not to open the door for anyone she doesn't know or your nieghbor since you don't know if theyare the one going up there.

Might sound crazy but telling my wife not to open the door for anyone we didn't know actually saved her. I was on base and I just got a bad feeling so I called my wife and told not to open the door for anyone we don't know. Well about 20min later she said there was some black guy banging on the door and then tried turning the handle. She had my Benelli tactical shotgun pointed at the door waiting for him to come though. I lived less then 3min away so I told my first sgt (he is a narcotics detective where I live) we bothed jumped in the car and seen him outside looking through a _ I pulled my pistol and so did my first sgt and screamed at him to get on the ground. He handcuffed him, when he searched him he had a .22 cal revolver, hunting knife, and a bag of meth. When we asked why he was trying to break into my house he just cursed at us and said h will get us. My first sgt said you are lucky you didn't get in cause you would have gotton a shotgun blast of buckshot to your chest by his wife. His eyes got so wide when he said that he looked a anime character. I'm not sure what happend to him on route to the police station but my first sgt showed me his mugshot and his face was swollen and bruised, he didn't look like that when the cops put him in the patrol car. I guess a little backwoods justice, some people just deserve a good ole beating, wish I could of helped.

I would have probably killed him, someone tries to harm my wife or family I'm gonna get them no matter what the consequences are.

So please don't just shrug it off. Trust your gut, it doesn't lie



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