It has everything to do with it. How could you know the energy output from a "theoretical" working scaled up prototype perhaps 10 years down the line ? not to mention the ever improving refining and manufacturing processes that would come from the study and exploration of this new field.

Originally posted by Zecharia
It has everything to do with it. How could you know the energy output from a "theoretical" working scaled up prototype perhaps 10 years down the line ? not to mention the ever improving refining and manufacturing processes that would come from the study and exploration of this new field.

edit on 3-10-2012 by Zecharia because: (no reason given)

You can not create a magnet of X energy using less than X energy. The best you can hope for is a 100% efficiency rating. Right now we are far below 100%. Then magnets lose energy over time. So unless it went from production to use the MOMENT it was created you have lost energy. So now we have a near 0% chance with perfect prodcution methods of ever achieving 100% efficiency since it takes time to put the magnet to use once it is created. Then if the device is stopped at ANY time for ANY reason we are also under 100% efficiency.

We are left with any device of this nature, even when done to perfection, taking MORE energy to create than it puts out.

I hear what your saying but wouldnt the energy output of the device over its working life quickly surpass the energy required to make it ?

Its like anything else over time it would pay for itself.

Originally posted by Zecharia
I hear what your saying but wouldnt the energy output of the device over its working life quickly surpass the energy required to make it ?

Its like anything else over time it would pay for itself.

No, it can NEVER have greater output than input. It will have output = to the input - energy lost due to ineficiency in the transfer. The amount put in will always be less than the amount used to create it, as some will be lost. There is no such thing as 100% efficient energy transfer.

Someone on here should make one and have it power an electrical appliance, video it and keep the video running for a few days. I'm all for 'free energy' yet theres an aweful lot of people who try and put it down saying its impossible, nothing is impossible, the mainstream has barely scratched the surface of the universe, people should have an open mind and not automatically spout out 'laws' on which they've been taught in a school or read out of a physics book and automatically shutting down/trying to debunk ideals on what they think they know to be true.

Really....... a reputable university ?

I dont have the energy for this anymore lets just crawl back into our holes and rot away. What a magical mystical place we live in.

Originally posted by Zecharia
Really....... a reputable university ?

I dont have the energy for this anymore lets just crawl back into our holes and rot away. What a magical mystical place we live in.

LOL, thats what they whant you to say..
Let their words be like air between your ears.
Enters on the right, half a nanosecond later it
leaves on the left...And please debunkers,
feel free to bang your heads in agony if we
keep posting these vids....

It's weird how many people don't realise that magnets store energy; like batteries. And like batteries will always give out less energy than it took to produce them.

This cool desk toy is exactly like one that needs batteries. They will have to be replaced once they run out of energy.

If you saw a perpetual motion machine that needed batteries to work I'm sure you would see that it's not as it claims to be. If you see one that needs magnets, remember, it's exactly the same.

I just need to clarify something.

While in some ways a permanent magnet can be seen as a 'magnetism battery', in other ways it cannot. A permanent magnet constantly subjected to a reversal force will eventually lose its magnetism, but a magnet subjected to an aligned force will not. In addition, a permanent magnet will tend to create this aligning force in any ferromagnetic substance that exists in its field.

A battery operates by discharging energetic electrons stored in unstable chemical combinations. Discharge all the available electrons and chemical instability ceases and the battery is discharged. A permanent magnet does not discharge particles; it creates a force field.

As part of my "Off The Grid" segment on the ATS Survival Internet Radio Broadcast (Bushcraft on Fire Radio), I am going to recreate this device. I will weekly be airing a description of my progress and conclusions for anyone who is curious about this device, and curious about the scientific approach to this type of research.

I chose this device because, unlike the vast majority, this video shows the evolution of the concept, tests, and an open, visible operational prototype that clearly shows the operation. It is self-starting and simple, and appears to be scalable.

My initial thought if shown this on paper would be that the transition point would require as much energy to pass as the rest of the revolution would produce. This does not appear to be the case. The proof either way will lie in physical prototyping, not in theory.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by MeesterB
like all "perpetual motion" machines, it will stop once you divert any of the energy to do useful work.

Yes this is a very impressive piece of artwork, but nothing more.

Edit: and "scaling up" doesn't make it any more promising, just bigger.

edit on 9/24/2012 by MeesterB because: (no reason given)

Tsk Tsk not so my friend, any fluctuating magnetic field creates electrical potential ie voltage. if one of these was upscaled big time then all would be needed is to create an electrical load upon it lets say to charge a battery and as the load was increased the speed of it would slow to a nice idle and that would be its max potential before it choked. Its not true perpetual motion though because get this. scientists would say that the parts would wear out I kid you not they are that biased.