Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Iran is the world’s only clerically-ruled government, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is their SMART AND CHARISMATIC puppet of very extremist religious views.

I just hope as he ends his tenure that the next President is more moderate and will actually be like what the population wants.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

Iranian people do not want that nut in there . The Imam wants him in there . The Iranian people do not want war with anyone and tried to remove him . Every new organization has stated that Ahmadinejad says he wants to destroy Israel and started that a while back . I have to believe NATIONAL NEWS. If he wants Nukes we can provide him with some and so can Israel . We are not idiots , we know his motivation to get nukes . One of them is to detonate an EMP over the USA . Then we could not support Israel he figures . Wrong !

The Iranian regime do not want war with anyone either. How many countries have Iran attacked in the past 200 years or so? Your argument is laughable. Especially knowing you most likely come from the country that has attacked almost every nation on the face of the planet apart from your allies who have done the same.

How do you know what the Iranian people want? Last I heard, they don't like the USA also.. A bit the same as seeing morons on here chanting "Lets blow the crap out of them etc". Where are you getting your crap from? Iran hardly have the capabilities to attack the USA. Their military is a defensive military. They base their military off protecting their country, not invading others.


www.reuters.com...

The above link clears proves that iran are not willing to start a war. they do not want war but if they are attacked and know that Israel are ready to strike, they will strike themselves. That seems pretty fair to me, what about you?

reply to post by jacktorrance

Yes, medical care in Cuba is very good. Here, however, is the side you failed to reveal:

Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of Human Rights Watch, who accuse the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial execution.[1][2][3] Cuban law limits freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement, and the press.

en.wikipedia.org...

That is always what happens in a "communist or socialist paradise".

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


How often do we log into ATS and read about protesters in this country being arrested?

How often do we read about citizens, and lately numerous members of our police force, stripping others of basic human rights and administering abuse and deadly force on members of our communities?

Torture? How about Guantanamo Bay? Or govt. sanctioned psychological studies on mentally ill patients? (While now "illegal" it wasn't long ago that these were perfectly normal.)

How about our media that distorts information, especially in high profile court cases, basically convicting someone of their crimes before they've even gone to trial, crushing their chances at a fair hearing?

Cuba isn't the only place to come under scrutiny of the Human Rights Watch - According to the HRW World report for 2012...

The US incarcerates more people than any other country in the world, sometimes imposing very long sentences marred by racial disparities. ... Persons of color comprise 77 percent of all youth serving life without parole sentences.

The federal government continues abusive counterterrorism policies, including detentions without charge at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; fundamentally flawed military commissions; and effectively blocking lawsuits seeking redress for torture victims.

The US continued to have the world’s largest incarcerated population at 2.3 million, and the world’s highest per capita incarceration rate at 752 inmates per 100,000 residents.

US workers continue to face severe obstacles in forming and joining trade unions, and the federal government and many state governments are failing to meet their international obligations to protect the free exercise of these rights.

Hundreds of thousands of children work on US farms. The 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act specifically exempts farmworker children from the minimum age and maximum hour requirements that apply to all other working children, exposing them to work at younger ages, for longer hours, and under more hazardous conditions. As a result, child farmworkers, most of who are of Latin American descent, often work 10 or more hours a day and risk pesticide poisoning, heat illness, injuries, life-long disabilities, and death.

The list goes on and on. You can read more here

Like I said before, I am appreciative of the opportunities I've been afforded simply because I'm an American citizen. I love this country. I'm honestly happy to be here. Cuba may not be even close to perfect, but neither are we.

He is speaking LIVE NOW:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by jacktorrance

The difference between the US and Cuba, when it comes to abuse of rights, is that in the US, it is the exception. In Cuba, it is the rule. Furthermore, have you ever considered that the reason there are more incarcerated in this country of a certain demographic is that they commit more crimes? I'm not going to debate why that happens, because that is for another thread, not this one.
I do agree with you, though that the news is so distorted in this country, that it is hard to get the truth, unless you happen to witness it first hand. Propaganda certainly was not limited to Joe Goebbels and the Nazi regime. Both "parties" and their minions in this country are primary contributors to the lies that fill the news.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

Furthermore, have you ever considered that the reason there are more incarcerated in this country of a certain demographic is that they commit more crimes?

No, I have not considered that, because I do not believe that is the case. Taken from the same text that I linked,

Whites and African Americans engage in drug offenses at roughly equivalent rates, and African Americans account for only about 13 percent of the US population, yet African Americans comprised about 33 percent of all drug arrests in 2009. Not surprisingly, higher arrest rates lead to higher incarceration rates. For example, 45 percent of inmates in state prisons for drug offenses in 2009 were African American; only 27 percent were white.

I tend to believe that crime and punishment is more restricted to class than race. Impoverished people of all races have a higher chance of being convicted for crimes, no matter how small. But, like you said, that's for another time and place.

I understand what you are saying, even if we may disagree.

understand what you are saying, even if we may disagree.

reply to post by jacktorrance


Likewise. I respect your opinion, even if we disagree. It would be a boring world, if we all thought the same way.
Peace.

Ahmadinejad's speech was like a theology based upon politics in the same way Kierkegaard writes about the individual. What I mean is politically Ahmadinejad's speech was an accurate representation of the way the world appears to me, as well, just as Kierkegaard's writing's on the existence of the individual was the way it appears to me, also. The difference is in Kierkegaard the 'leap of faith' is out of the fear of Being-without-god, while Ahmadinejad's 'leap of faith' is out of the fear of the current politics of the world creating a divorce from god.

So, he sees that Marxism was rejected, and Capitalism is being rejected, so he basically pleas for a new world order based on morality and respect. It is not necessary to believe in gods to agree with this. In my view, religion is politics. I think it's origins are political, not "spiritual". I think it began with tribe leaders ascending to, or maintaining a higher status than their followers based upon a hope for, or a fear of gods and an afterlife.

What Ahmadinejad's speech points to is the immorality of the current world order while favouring equality based upon morality. I think? lol

[I must confess that I've had two an a half vodka martinis]

reply to post by trysts


One additional point I would like to make regarding your post. It certainly is a fairly accurate representation of what he said.
What bothers me is the fact that the US boycotted his speech. Supposedly, the UN is the place where leaders can meet, either directly or through their representatives, and discuss issues of mutual interest. It seems that without even knowing what Ahmadinejad would say, they have decided not to listen to me,
It doesn't seem like the US WANTS to discuss issues. What do you think?

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


It's just amazing to me that no one has told them what it looks like when they walk out. I truly don't understand what to think of it 'cause it's just ridiculous to me.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

It doesn't seem like the US WANTS to discuss issues. What do you think?

Are you drinking vodka martinis with trysts??!!

We've been in "talks" with Iran for freaking years.

That's the point. Talking to Iran leads nowhere. Listening to Iran goes nowhere.

It's futile! I'd walk out on Ahmadinejad too. In fact, I wouldn't even stand or sit in the same room with this man.

First he refuses talks. Then he says he wants to talk, but only when he thinks someone is going to take action against him. It's become a game!

He's a total hypocrite...about everything. What he says to us isn't what he says to other Muslims. Start reading transcripts of his speeches to Universities and at Muslim conferences.,

Where have you two been?

Here's a start. Do some research on the "Nuclear program of Iran" and all of the "talks" and negotiations that have been going on for over twenty years. Then, you might start to understand the game they play.

en.wikipedia.org...

Where have you two been?

reply to post by Deetermined

Well, for one, I've spent considerable time in the Mid-East in several Islamic countries, and I absolutely assure you that I know quite a bit more than you have been fed by the obedient child called the MSM. You, my friend, have bought the entire "official policy" hook, line and sinker. Perhaps you should do some first hand investigation for yourself, or are you afraid of what you will find.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


What do you think I've done?

I've read the transcripts of Iranian officials speeches! Not the MSM repeats.

Seriously, what did you spend your time doing in the Middle East?

TI've read the transcripts of Iranian officials speeches! Not the MSM repeats. ext

reply to post by Deetermined


Wow, you're read speeches. I read fairy tales when I was much younger.
Do you believe everything you read? You have absolutely no understanding of the average Mid-Easterner, nor would I expect that, since unlike me, you've probably never lived among them. If you did, you wouldn't be making the absolutely ridiculous statements you've been making. Post your remarks on the Arab street. You probably wouldn't last 10 minutes, before something very bad happened to you.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


I've read the words that came straight from the horses mouths. Unless these people were cartoon characters, yes I'm going to believe what came straight out of their own mouth.

Secondly, why don't you tell us what you were doing in the Middle East. Maybe that will help us to gain some insight as to just how much "knowledge" you really have.

Thirdly, none of the leaders of Iran are your "common" Middle Easterners.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by jacktorrance

 

The difference between the US and Cuba, when it comes to abuse of rights, is that in the US, it is the exception. In Cuba, it is the rule. Furthermore, have you ever considered that the reason there are more incarcerated in this country of a certain demographic is that they commit more crimes? I'm not going to debate why that happens, because that is for another thread, not this one.
I do agree with you, though that the news is so distorted in this country, that it is hard to get the truth, unless you happen to witness it first hand. Propaganda certainly was not limited to Joe Goebbels and the Nazi regime. Both "parties" and their minions in this country are primary contributors to the lies that fill the news.

pure rubbish and propaganda at its finest... the u.s doesnt give a damn about human rights or human life... nice attempt at derailing the thread - you fail. .. kindly stick to topic rather than continuing your pathetic attempts at derailment with misinformation and propaganda that has nothing to do with the topic.... go tell your masters you failed minion...

Can I get a refund on the time spent listening to that long-winded tangent by Mahmoud Ahmadenijad? What the heck was he talking about? I guess my intellectual acumen is not on par with those that think this guy is some kind of brilliant philospher? Let me assure everyone, he is not Socrates or Plato, but a two-bit BS artist. Typical politician.

Furthermore, anything the man says are not his own words, but the words of his theocratic handlers. His country and the world is on the precipice of another big war. Yet, he hits the interview junket and the UN General Assembly with another nonsensical diatribe that has no bearing on reality? Come down to earth sir! Here is what I thought about when I heard the audiences' reaction after his speech.

reply to post by Expat888

pure rubbish and propaganda at its finest... the u.s doesnt give a damn about human rights or human life... nice attempt at derailing the thread - you fail.

Not trying to get off topic, but curious, are you speaking from experience regarding the U.S.?

What part of Asia are you from anyway?

Ahmadinejad meets with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrahkan

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