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posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
After reading this thread .. only 1 thought comes to mind..

The left live in some weird alternate reality where they accuse the right of doing .. what they themselves are doing.

If i had to choose a side.. I would go to the right. Left-wing idiotology is just insane. Its like you people havent been around the last 3, almost 4 years.

Ignorance in denial..


It's funny because I would say of the Right, you guys act as if reality started 3 or four years ago.

YET, none of you seem to remember

the economy that was losing 700,000 jobs a month in Dec 2008,
the DOW @ 7,500 ,
the patriot act,
FISA,
ENRON,
the California "energy crisis,
GITMO,
suspension of Habeas Corpus,
The outing of Valery Plame,
The secret meeting Cheney had with the Energy industry,
Then, the fact that gas tripled during Bush's presidency
$5.00 gas
The WMDs that never existed
The color coded terror charts
Expansion of government
TSA
Department of homeland security
Warrent-less wire taps
Trillion dollar Deficits
Unpaid for War #1
Unpaid for war #2
Unpaid for tax break #1
Unpaid for Tax break #2


On and On

You guys on the Right who claim how horrible this president is are truly
delusional in my opinion. In fact the worst part of the last four years has
been navigating the craziness that you guys make up and spew out into
the universe.

Instead of stopping the insanity after the Bush crash, it seems like the crazy
faction in the GOP turned the crazy nob to 11 ~ and drug the entire party
with them.
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posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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I see Obama got us out of Afghanistan like he promised. Nope. Surge.


Maybe you'd like to try again. Obama was crystal clear in his support for the war in Afghanistan, where he said during the campaign he would end the Iraq war and re-focus on Afghanistan because Bush had neglected it. Facts are stubborn things, thank God.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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S+F OP

I consider myself a left leaning moderate, or a social liberal/fiscal conservative. I know both sides are equally as guilty of stripping our rights away, via the Patriot Act + DHS by Bush and Patriot Act II + the NDAA by Obama. As a freedom loving American I criticize both. But I also don't demonize gay marriage as the end of the "traditional family". I mean how is gay people getting married going to affect heterosexual couples from getting married and starting "traditional" families? Gay couples just want the same rights afforded them by the government, i.e. health insurance coverage of spouses and children, end of life rights, etc. But for some reason the far right won't allow it because they aren't like "them".

I'm surprised nobody has spouted the "you didn't build that" quote yet. My dad came and told me about Obama saying that and I tried to tell him there's more to that quote but he just kind of dismissed it and walked away. I mean it seems to be a major Republican talking point even though it was taken out of context. I've seen it said in a lot of different threads on here and when it is debunked you never really hear from those people again.

I am more than willing to admit I was wrong when shown proof that I was. I voted for Obama because he promised change and a lot other things I wanted to see in DC. That never happened so he lost my vote for this year. I was even going to vote Republican for Ron Paul but his own party ostracized him.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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It's funny because I would say of the Right, you guys act as if reality started 3 or four years ago. YET, none of you seem to remember the economy that was losing 700,000 jobs a month in Dec 2008, the DOW @ 7,500 , the patriot act, FISA, ENRON, the California "energy crisis, GITMO, suspension of Habeas Corpus, The outing of Valery Plame, The secret meeting Cheney had with the Energy industry, Then, the fact that gas tripled during Bush's presidency $5.00 gas The WMDs that never existed The color coded terror charts Expansion of government TSA Department of homeland security Warrent-less wire taps Trillion dollar Deficits Unpaid for War #1 Unpaid for war #2 Unpaid for tax break #1 Unpaid for Tax break #2 On and On


Don't you know? None of that really happened? It is all a liberal lie, you know man, just like the Holocaust.

By the way, you forgot a few big things, like the 9/11 terror attacks well in to Bush's watch when the intel was clearly there. But in the alternate universe the Right inhabits, Bush kept us safe from terrorists while Obama sympathizes with them (even as he takes them out with no mercy over and over again with drones, much to the chagrin of Progressives).

That is the measure of how far gone is the Right's ability to reason -- the worst attack on our mainland soil has morphed into "Bush kept us safe." Can you imagine the apoplexy and vitriol from the Right if such an attack happened under Obama? You'd have people taking pot shots at the president at every campaign stop because they'd be convinced Obama would have been in league with the terrorists. I tell you the Right is genuinely dangerous. NOTHING is more dangerous than an armed and angry zealot.

Literally almost everything the Right espouses is 180 degrees off reality. That is not hyperbole. And like another poster just pointed out, no, the "Left" (translation, anyone sane and/or left of a McCarthy'esque mindset) does not also do it. I believe it to be genuine mass hysteria and I lay it squarely at Murdoch's feet.

....and here's the final irony...Murdoch is a foreigner and is a 50/50 partner with a major Arab media outlet...you know, those Muslims. Murdoch in the Middle East

Quite the magic act, carefully trick millions of American simpletons, indoctrinating near 1/2 of them into basically cultish irrationality to hate "the Other" while being the western world's single biggest investor in Muslim media. Really it is an amazing feat Murdoch has pulled of, playing 1/2 our population for complete fools. And his work is so complete that even this knowledge would not cause a one of them to turn the channel or think of themselves as having been one of Murdoch's rubes. No doubt he is training the other side to hate at least as well. Murdoch is basically playing a god, moving his little American pawns on one side and his Arab pawns on the other. Yes, FOX viewers, that is you, the hapless little pawns being tossed about while you love every minute of it, cheer your own manipulation on even. "Please master, f with me more! I'll believe whatever you want me to believe! Obama is a Muslim Kenyan socialist! Yes master, Obama is a Muslim Kenyan socialist!"

Astonishing.
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Dear sheepslayer,

Thank you very much. May I say that I appreciate a man of ideas? Unfortunately, it seems that some have only hate and anger. Your ideas help me to stretch and learn. I'm glad for your posting.

OK, roll the sleeves up, and let's see what we can do.

Whoops! Roll'em back down, the problem's insoluble. Here are my difficulties (and excuse me for over-generalizing):

I don't believe schools at any level are reliable instruments for teaching morals and ethics, logic, rhetoric, philosophy, etc. Therefore, Americans are tending to not value these things, or to not be able to use them. There are videos galore of people who obviously can't function well in a real society because they don't have the tools.

Newspapers and other sources are entirely free to put out what they want. Don't get me wrong, that's how it should be, but they have the pressure of printing what will sell, as well as the pressure of the owner's prejudices and opinions. That's why I agree with your statement that:

That being said, it would be stupid of me to say that these media outlets are not biased in one way or the other. We all are.
And there are very, very few people who can spot their own biases.

Society doesn't value thinkers or analysts. There really isn't any place for them outside of some college programs. Even at the White House, the analysts are people who must first be approved by the President, and almost always agree in large part with his philosophy.

Politicians don't have the time or money to sit down with the voters and explain their policies until they're understood. What does the voter know of economics, or foreign relations, or any of a bunch of other questions. (Going back to the schools, I'm afraid.)

I also agree with you that we have to be very watchful over even

. . . a potential threat to the American ideology of freedom, truth, diplomacy, empathy and courage. That may sound extreme, but we all know from history how far it can go.

Now, finally, to get to your point. (It's about time, Charles, can't you hurry this along? :lol

I am trying to suggest that one section of our political spectrum has swayed so far to one side that we can no longer afford to blow-off or deny it any longer.
I suppose Republicans are saying the same thing about Obama and the Democrats. But I've got two general questions. One, how do we know that having one extreme party will cause grave hurt to the Republic? Oh, it could, but it would have to have at least a majority of the people behind it, wouldn't it? For good or bad, our system is designed to pay a lot of attention to the wishes of the majority.

What would cause the majority to follow a party? Press coverage? In that case, don't we have to go after the Press? I'm fuzzy here, but I don't see how a really extreme party would get enough influence to trash the country. Although Republicans and Democrats would both say that the other side is doing it in a sneaky and gradual manner.

Two, how do we know that a party is extreme? It's followers won't think so, so is it up to it's opponents to decide whether it's extreme or not? Not exactly an unbiased jury. It would help to have a fixed standard we could refer to. I prefer the Declaration and Constitution, but I don't think many do.

Anyway, when you wake up you can thank me for putting you to sleep. I am grateful for your posts and hope to see more of you.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by campanionator
 





It's funny because I would say of the Right, you guys act as if reality started 3 or four years ago. YET, none of you seem to remember the economy that was losing 700,000 jobs a month in Dec 2008, the DOW @ 7,500 , the patriot act, FISA, ENRON, the California "energy crisis, GITMO, suspension of Habeas Corpus, The outing of Valery Plame, The secret meeting Cheney had with the Energy industry, Then, the fact that gas tripled during Bush's presidency $5.00 gas The WMDs that never existed The color coded terror charts Expansion of government TSA Department of homeland security Warrent-less wire taps Trillion dollar Deficits Unpaid for War #1 Unpaid for war #2 Unpaid for tax break #1 Unpaid for Tax break #2 On and On


Don't you know? None of that really happened? It is all a liberal lie, you know man, just like the Holocaust.

By the way, you forgot a few big things, like the 9/11 terror attacks well in to Bush's watch when the intel was clearly there. But in the alternate universe the Right inhabits, Bush kept us safe from terrorists while Obama sympathizes with them (even as he takes them out with no mercy over and over again with drones, much to the chagrin of Progressives).

That is the measure of how far gone is the Right's ability to reason -- the worst attack on our mainland soil has morphed into "Bush kept us safe." Can you imagine the apoplexy and vitriol from the Right if such an attack happened under Obama? You'd have people taking pot shots at the president at every campaign stop because they'd be convinced Obama would have been in league with the terrorists. I tell you the Right is genuinely dangerous. NOTHING is more dangerous than an armed and angry zealot.

Literally almost everything the Right espouses is 180 degrees off reality. That is not hyperbole. And like another poster just pointed out, no, the "Left" (translation, anyone sane and/or left of a McCarthy'esque mindset) does not also do it. I believe it to be genuine mass hysteria and I lay it squarely at Murdoch's feet.

....and here's the final irony...Murdoch is a foreigner and is a 50/50 partner with a major Arab media outlet...you know, those Muslims. Murdoch in the Middle East

Quite the magic act, carefully trick millions of American simpletons, indoctrinating near 1/2 of them into basically cultish irrationality to hate "the Other" while being the western world's single biggest investor in Muslim media. Really it is an amazing feat Murdoch has pulled of, playing 1/2 our population for complete fools. And his work is so complete that even this knowledge would not cause a one of them to turn the channel or think of themselves as having been one of Murdoch's rubes. No doubt he is training the other side to hate at least as well. Murdoch is basically playing a god, moving his little American pawns on one side and his Arab pawns on the other. Yes, FOX viewers, that is you, the hapless little pawns being tossed about while you love every minute of it, cheer your own manipulation on even. "Please master, f with me more! I'll believe whatever you want me to believe! Obama is a Muslim Kenyan socialist! Yes master, Obama is a Muslim Kenyan socialist!"

Astonishing.
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Great insight there.

Murdoch gets to essentially manipulate the extremists in each society and pit them against
eachother.

I really hope the right has a real wake up call, this self inflicted retardation is not good for
America. I hope reasonable Republicans fight back because some of these arguments and
assertions boarder on insanity or undiagnosed idiocy.
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
After reading this thread .. only 1 thought comes to mind..

The left live in some weird alternate reality where they accuse the right of doing .. what they themselves are doing.


Except the thread was started by a self confessed Republican and others have agreed


Being in Australia, I don't have the greatest understanding or interest of American politics yet even I managed to read the thread and appreciate what the OP is getting at.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Republican voter mindsets:

War is bad unless a Republican does it.
Spending is bad unless a Republican does it.
Oppressing rights is bad unless a Republican does it.
Health care is for them only.
(same sex) Marriage is evil and will cause the world to end.
Fox News brings in more than one billion dollars a year in profit but isn't "mainstream" like the other media outlets.

This is why I'm glad to be a progressive Libertarian Democrat.

F the GOP.


So let me get this straight.

-You didn't speak out against war under Bush? Are you now?
-Spending was a huge issue when Bush was president, now its not?
-Bush was always the bad guy for supposedly taking away rights. Now Obama can kill us citizens with no due process and I dont hear a peep from those same "progressive liberals". IS that because its only bad when a Republican does it? What about Gitmo?
-You do know Democrats voted down gay marriage in many states? Obama was against it last election too.
-You complain about Fox on a regular basis, but make excuses for the dozen networks who are Obama/Democrat lap dogs.



Originally posted by aaron2209

Except the thread was started by a self confessed Republican and others have agreed



You rewlize anyone can say anything on the internet, right? You do know Democrats have been in charge since 2006? Not the GOP. You're falling for classic distraction.
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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I think almost all political parties in the US to it some extent. It is just that the GOP takes it to a whole different level. The GOP will say crazy out of hand things in order to maintain or increase their power. It is sad that Americans have to put up with such things. There is way too much focus on being the `winner` in US politics. At this point, it might be a good idea to push for absolute terms limits for the House of Reps. and have state governments appoint national Senate members from their own state government assemblies. That would at least limit the `I must win at all cost` mentally of US politicians. Also, proportional vote seat allocation would also offer more democracy and less in fighting among the different political parties.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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I'm sorry but all you guys are hypocrites, One moment saying that democrats and republicans are all the same, but then you turn around and support one party over the other. Tools



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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how do we know that having one extreme party will cause grave hurt to the Republic?


I believe there are a few reasons.

One: It already has hurt the republic. We have gone to war in Iraq to appease the war-mongers and the military-industrial complex. There was no reason to go into Iraq at all and it was the ability of a particular group of people that were able to lie to the American people without any second thought that set it into motion.

Two: Politics and fascist ideologies have taken this nation to the brink of economic destruction. For many years we have taken from the poor and middle class in order to give to the rich, all in the name of job creation. But that hasn't happened. Jobs have never materialized from the mass wealth they have gained, but the rhetoric within certain groups continues to tell their supporters this magical lie.

Three: This one group has been able to alienate large portions of Americans, sterilizing the party into a predominantly white-male club in which gays, minorities, immigrants and women and brought out as tokens of their "diversity".Sad but true.

Four: While we should be looking to build friendships across the globe so that we can trade with other nations, we have chosen a side over all others.....Israel. It is so bad that even the Democrats have to give their nod to Israel or they pay dearly. Why can't we form alliances with many nations, including ME nations, to trade freely? But we can't. We have to make sure we placate to the political friends we already have and trading with their enemies is forbidden because it may piss-off the Israelis.



What would cause the majority to follow a party?


A popular message is one reason or possibly it's because some parties make it easier to be a member. It's easy to be a Republican. You don't have to worry about fact and you don't have to worry about defending your ideology because if people raise question or ridicule it....you can just blow them off as simple idiots.

What this really boils down to is language. How does each party project their message? With words and marketing strategies. When you message consists of propaganda and lies to gain favor through outrage....it will quickly bring the outraged into it's fold.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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part of the problem is this who left right bs. When you divide yourself into tribes it is expected that propaganda and ignoring as truth will be used to support your tribe.

Get rid of this tribal mindset and you might make some progress



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by pajoly
 


Unfortunately, I think that I have come to that crossroad you described. I may have to finally put my Republican badge away.

I have gone from a hardcore NeoCon myself and realized that I could not defend the ideology with truth or fact. I had to resort to lies and BS that everyone else knew was false, but I was in my own little world in which I could not be harmed.

That was some time ago and I now try to place myself at the front lines of fighting the infestation that is Neoconservatism. I was wrong and helped perpetuate it for too many years, so I try to earn my way back.

That being said, I really like Maddow because she is willing to admit when something is wrong...even her progressive cohorts. She uses straight facts and uses humor to do it.


There is a pretty good show on HBO series called The Newsroom
Its about a news anchor, a republican, that has been basically compromising himself for years for ratings..he is trying to walk the line for ratings and seemingly "fair". Eventually he caves and decides he wants to use the desk to try and win back his party from the fringe nuts..so he goes on the attack against the republicans and their endless lies, spin, and distortions.
Of course people call him a liberal, a RINO, etc...when the reality is, he is trying to straighten out the core principles of the republican party.

The true RINOs are the big speakers today. The party that would threaten no debt ceiling raise and in turn get the credit rating of the whole economy downgraded..so much for fiscal conservatism. etc etc etc.
Anyhow, you remind me of this program..a actual republican finally angry at the nutjobs that have taken over his party and twisting it for their own gain.

Keep on the fight. Many will use the "well the left does it also, so its fine"...but instead of getting into that nitpicking argument..just remind them your not trying to make the system perfect, your just fighting to get the republican party back to a party of integrity and message.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by axslinger
I see Obama got us out of Afghanistan like he promised. Nope.


Yes...Obama promised that...and he failed.
Now
What about Boehner when he promised 20 billion new jobs the second republicans took over congress and he became speaker? Where are the 20 billion jobs? He said these words directly, numbers and all.

I get my info from the same place you do...

___________
Its hard to read more of what you wrote when your first sentence is based on nothing...Iraq...Iraq was the promise, because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and we were in there for ??? reasons.

And guess what...

We are out of Iraq.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

There is a pretty good show on HBO series called The Newsroom
Its about a news anchor, a republican, that has been basically compromising himself for years for ratings..he is trying to walk the line for ratings and seemingly "fair". Eventually he caves and decides he wants to use the desk to try and win back his party from the fringe nuts..so he goes on the attack against the republicans and their endless lies, spin, and distortions.


This is a common theme on the left that we see not only in the "entertainment", but in the media. the left wing MSM loves to puff up "Republicans" who hate their party and parrot left wing Democrat talking points. To list a few:

-Kathleen Parker (She admitted she's popular in the media because she bashes conservatives)
-David Brooks
-Joe Scarbrough

You won't find counter parts on the left. Those that break from the left wing DNC narrative are castigated and destroyed. Not to mention, the creator of that show is a far left loon who is known for trashing people who aren't on his team.

So basically, you're being played. You're totally oblivious to it too, which is depressing. Way too many drone like people taking comedy shows, propaganda media and cable TV shows as facts and gospel. Enjoy being a trained seal.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by HostileApostle
So, do you have an equally outrageous offending list of Left Wing lies?

You are getting all that Obama crap because he's in office. He's the top target.
When Bush43 was in office, the same kind of crap was being said about him.
Not that he was a muslim .. but other crap ... I remember reading these ...

Bush43 was AWOL from duty.
Bush43 was never actually in the military.
Bush43 was a drunkard in the White House. (I personally think he was medicated by Cheney)
Bush43 attacked Iraq because his fathers portrait was on the floor being walked on in Iraq.
Bush43 was a closet gay.
Bush43 was a satan worshipper.
Bush43 .. skull and bones .. killed a person for initiation
Bush43 uses satanic hand signals at parades and at meetings. (it was really the Texas longhorns)
Bush43 .. skull and bones .. occultist
Bush43 in allegiance with KKK
Bush43 had an affair with Condi Rice.
Laura Bush was a murderer (killed a boyfriend on purpose using a car)

Google 'em up ... you'll see it all .. like 10 years old ...


Yeah I am sure most heard these, but MSNBC never spent a minute telling people any of these were actually true. That is a big huge definable difference, the conservative media spends a great deal of time and energy taking any lie about Obama that they can find and then spread it as fact. When you leave ATS and go into the real world you would not find many people that didn't just dismiss the Bush lies altogether as pure BS.

If you really need to see which party has the most freedom of thought internally, all you have to do is look at the healthcare debate. The Democrats couldn't even agree with themselves to pass it. Some didn't think it went far enough others that it went too far, for others still it was other issues altogether. If your a Republican in Congress you toe the Party line or your Primaried by the someone who will like Christine O'donnell. Hell Reagan couldn't get elected in today's Republican Party, the man they are idolizing day in and day out.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
After reading this thread .. only 1 thought comes to mind..

The left live in some weird alternate reality where they accuse the right of doing .. what they themselves are doing.

If i had to choose a side.. I would go to the right. Left-wing idiotology is just insane. Its like you people havent been around the last 3, almost 4 years.

Ignorance in denial..


And it's like the Righties have memory issues.

Two wars.
9/11.
Deregulation of Wall Street.
Recession.



Enjoy the "Right" side. We on the "Left" will enjoy sanity.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Ancient Champion
I'm sorry but all you guys are hypocrites, One moment saying that democrats and republicans are all the same, but then you turn around and support one party over the other. Tools


You do realize this site does have a decent amount of members, right? Not everyone comments on the SAME thread. Many members posting in this one aren't the ones posting in others claiming what you just accused them of doing.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Republican voter mindsets:

War is bad unless a Republican does it.
Spending is bad unless a Republican does it.
Oppressing rights is bad unless a Republican does it.
Health care is for them only.
(same sex) Marriage is evil and will cause the world to end.
Fox News brings in more than one billion dollars a year in profit but isn't "mainstream" like the other media outlets.

This is why I'm glad to be a progressive Libertarian Democrat.

F the GOP.


So let me get this straight.

-You didn't speak out against war under Bush? Are you now?
-Spending was a huge issue when Bush was president, now its not?
-Bush was always the bad guy for supposedly taking away rights. Now Obama can kill us citizens with no due process and I dont hear a peep from those same "progressive liberals". IS that because its only bad when a Republican does it? What about Gitmo?
-You do know Democrats voted down gay marriage in many states? Obama was against it last election too.
-You complain about Fox on a regular basis, but make excuses for the dozen networks who are Obama/Democrat lap dogs.



Originally posted by aaron2209

Except the thread was started by a self confessed Republican and others have agreed



You rewlize anyone can say anything on the internet, right? You do know Democrats have been in charge since 2006? Not the GOP. You're falling for classic distraction.
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1. Yes, I was against the wars under Bush and against the wars under Obama.
2. Spending was an issue under Bush, and still is under Obama.
3.Wait, am I really bothering with this?

You missed the point of my post entirely. Great job, sweetie.

Republican voters are OK with issues such as war, spending, oppressing rights as long it's under a Republican in office.

That is the point and that is how it works.

Jesus, get your head on right.


Oh and your point about about Democrats being in charge since a certain amount of time, you do realize the GOP STILL put the country into a recession, right? It isn't rocket science...oh wait, Republicans don't believe in science.
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
So let me get this straight.

-You didn't speak out against war under Bush? Are you now?

Will chime in here with my stances

I am ways against war as a first, second, or third option.
I was against Iraq from the onset. I didn't cry too much when we went in and took out Saddam...that was a monster we built..but otherwise, I was against it because it was pointless vendetta.
Afghanistan I was waving the flag and all sorts. Supported that effort, because in the end, it was them that gave shelter to OBL, and allowed him to operate..thereby being guilty of attacking the US through association. aka, they attacked us.



-Spending was a huge issue when Bush was president, now its not?

Debt is the issue. Bush cut taxes and then started 2 war theaters...during a time of war, it is common for taxes to go up. This serves 2 purposes..first off, to pay for the bloody war, and also to make everyone understand war is costly.
What he did was dull the cost to the people, force our grandkids to pay for it.
Spending must be streamlined, and REVENUE must be sufficient. it is a balanced approach that every successful country (ours included) understands...when they don't understand that, you have a massive debt explosion (see our debt).



-Bush was always the bad guy for supposedly taking away rights. Now Obama can kill us citizens with no due process and I dont hear a peep from those same "progressive liberals". IS that because its only bad when a Republican does it? What about Gitmo?

You don't hear a peep because your not listening. the left is very opposed to this. I could show you some maddow pieces that slams the president on this..you can listen to many left wing forums that rally against em.

Gitmo...what about it?
Republicans blocked that moving forward, because republicans are little crying girls that don't want terrorists to be tried in the US...because republicans are cowards.
Thats on your side mate. now, why not defend the rights stance that terrorists frighten you so much you block them being tried here, thereby keeping gitmo open forever....




-You do know Democrats voted down gay marriage in many states? Obama was against it last election too.

People voted down. Yes. This is because people are still people, and will vote old prejudices often.


-You complain about Fox on a regular basis, but make excuses for the dozen networks who are Obama/Democrat lap dogs.

Fox News should have their journalistic license pulled..not because they have an opinion, but because they willingly and knowingly "report" trackable false information..not gray area stuff...but simple black and white false info. That is not news, that is not even idealistic viewpoints..that is lying.
Here is a video you will never watch:


Enjoy your day.
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