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Originally posted by Dextraphite
I am curious to know. I fully believe in the spiritual realm, as in God, Satan and all that.
But I view it differently. From a logical approach, God must live in a separate dimension then us.
Now to us, this dimension would not be palpable, thus, when we see things from this higher dimension, they are perceived as spiritual to us. Untouchable. Without body or form. BUT. What if... these things are only untouchable to us.... but physical in a sense that in their dimension they are physical.
I know pastors say, oh they are spirits... spirits of deception, lust.... They demonize things that aren't caused by demons. But what if the spirits or whatever are actually physical. Just not to us.
Which brings me to another point. War is not war without casualties. Then it would be safe to assume that Angels and Demons can indeed die in some way.
Which would lead me to conclude that they are indeed physical in a sense, if not to us.
It is kind of a confusing concept, and hard to explain. I really hope I did not ramble. Anyways, does anyone know of any examples, experiences, etc. that you could share that you believe was an example or case of Spiritual Warfare? Preferably with physical consequences/results. But anything else will do also.
Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
Anyways, does anyone know of any examples, experiences, etc. that you could share that you believe was an example or case of Spiritual Warfare?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You are approaching the matter from an atheistic point of view, it seems. Which sort of disqualifies you from the conversation, because in order to participate, you need to have an open mind.
However, one must first define war. Then one must define the different aspects of war, and where those concepts and ideas come from. Then we must ponder how a human invention affects things that are not human. Or how human inventions, human thoughts, reflect on dimensions that are so detached from our own. A car in Japan does not have great influence on a cyclist on Florida, but a pedestrian in that same country becomes a lot more relevant due to the capability and the interests involved.
My point here being, we are not nearly as informed as we should be in order to compile a concise and logical conclusion to the question being posed in the OP. Anything presented will be speculation, nothing more. OP, I ask that you take this in consideration, because in the end, it's better to have no idea than to live with the wrong idea.
How can a dimension be detached? What exactly is your definition of a dimension?
Isn't that the same point I made, except I gave the most reasonable answer, too?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Detached as in limited interaction. A dimension is a frame of being.
You said, "There is no spiritual world". You used an absolute, which is inherently impossible in a matter of speculation
- just like you did with the quoted question above. "Most reasonable"...you give yourself far too much credit.
Try being a little less arrogant and assuming (to start with) that you know no more than the rest of us in this particular field. We'll get along much better.edit on 24-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)