'Israeli subs with nukes in Gulf'

I came across this article from the Jerusalem Post that quotes the Sunday Times and thought that it might indicate a possible escalation in rhetoric and possible action. Iran and Israel have both been quite clear on what their intentions are on certain issues, mostly on a "what if" basis.

Israel is planning on permanently stationing nuclear armed submarines in the gulf. Not only is this very concerning from the Iranian view point, it also seems to be another admission by Israel of possessing nuclear weapons.

Please don't consider this thread ad "Doom Porn" as I'm not tryint to fear monger, it's just that I consider this announcement to be very important in relation to the unfolding developments in the region.

Israel is planning to permanently station a submarine carrying nuclear cruise missiles in the Persian Gulf, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.

Israeli submarines have visited the Gulf before, but the decision has now been taken to ensure a permanent presence of at least one of the vessels.

The paper claims that the government has decided to station at least one of three submarines armed with nuclear missiles permanently within striking distance of Iran in the Persian Gulf.

According to the article the submarines are moving to the Persian Gulf in respone to the growing missile threat to Israel from Syria, Iran and Hizbullah.

www.jpost.com...

With the recent articles claiming Iran will strike first if they feel an attack is imminent this could lead to various scenarios. Me, being the "Conspiracy Theorist" that I am believes that this could set the perfect stage for an Israeli/American false flag as in an attack on American bases in the area and or on American/Israeli naval vessels that gets blamed on Iran.

Another possibility is that Iran actually decides to strike first due to the strategic maneuvers that have Iran surrounded by their current enemies. Personally I find the odds of Iran striking first highly unlikely due to what they have to lose. A preemptive strike by Iran would be suicide for the currrent regime, and many innocent civilians in and around Iran.

Let's all hope this is just muscle flexing by the Israelis versus an illustration of their actual intent of an upcoming strike on Iran.

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Every time I hear a tweet I go mad....but what do you do,soak it up?get in line?...the shabang is to powerful for my comprehension.

I see another USS Liberty on the horizon. Only this time Israel will be wanting Iran to get the blame instead of Egypt. Iran has about twice as many subs so who's to say they aren't watching Israels subs and just waiting for Israel to move.

Iran and Israel have both been quite clear on what their intentions are. No matter what the biggest powerful countries say or do to try and prevent these two countries from going to war. Lets put it simple from now and over the next couple of years these counties will tear each other apart politically until one decides to make the first move. The US and any other big powerful country with big powerful army's to stick there ore in escalating there situation worse between themselves and those two countries at war.

The three tabs on my IE right now are this page, an article from MSN about the Iranian statement regarding a preimptive strike, and a wikipedia page about the so called "samson option". It almost seems like that region going up like a powder keg is more a question of when than if.

Oh sweet hypocrisy. Gotta love that sizzle on a Monday morning. Israel "we don't have nukes" is launching subs with nukes. You sure this is not coming from the onion?

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I also see another USS Liberty type event on the horizon. My OP was kept as neutral as possible and I made sure to acknowledge both sides, but I think the stage is set.

Israel does appear very desperate to get the ball rolling on this upcoming conflict that pretty much guaranteed to happen. In my opinion it's not a matter of if, but when and how.

Iran has done a good job of keeping their cool over the last few years against the adversity they have faced and the tough talk coming out of Iran should be considered as warranted compared to the BS the US/Israel and their allies have been spewing.

That being said, I do find these statments coming out of Iran if they are actually truthful and not more deliberate mistranslations, that these statements do not help them in the public eye. But as Iran is kind of cornered at the moment so they really have no choice but to dish out some saber rattling rhetoric because if they did not, they would appear to be weak when they need to be strong during this situation.

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I'm pretty sure it's not coming from the Onion. As stated in my OP the information is from the J-Post who are quoting the Sunday Times.

I found it surprising that an Israeli outlet would be so descriptive in admitting an Israeli nuclear arsenal.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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I'm pretty sure it's not coming from the Onion. As stated in my OP the information is from the J-Post who are quoting the Sunday Times.

I found it surprising that an Israeli outlet would be so descriptive in admitting an Israeli nuclear arsenal.

If Iran media can be trusted (50-50 on that), the Israeli people are worried NetanYAHOO is going off the deep end, so maybe this is the Israeli public's attempt at warning the world they are not completely behind their crazy in chief.

Originally posted by buster2010
I see another USS Liberty on the horizon. Only this time Israel will be wanting Iran to get the blame instead of Egypt. Iran has about twice as many subs so who's to say they aren't watching Israels subs and just waiting for Israel to move.

I think the Germans have a better reputation building subs than the Iranians, and to think they gave some of these away as a "gift"...

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If Iran media can be trusted (50-50 on that), the Israeli people are worried NetanYAHOO is going off the deep end, so maybe this is the Israeli public's attempt at warning the world they are not completely behind their crazy in chief.

I agree with you for the most part when it comes to being skeptical to any information coming out of any news outlet, especially state sponsored ones. But they are all state sponsored in my opinion. CNN and FOX are nothing more than the mouthpiece of the American governments, such as the Israeli outlets are nothing more than the mouthpiece of the Israeli governments.

The sad thing is that most the news coming out of Iran is much more believable and contains some logic compared to the outright unproven baseless lies coming out of the Western outlets.

I do also acknowledge that Iran has made some rather bold claims recently as well that are somewhat laughable but when you look at what has gone on over the last few years the claims coming out of Iran are not that far fetched.

And you are also correct in your observation that the people of Israel are starting to get fed up with Bibi's thirst for war with Iran no matter what the cost.

Originally posted by Foppezao

Originally posted by buster2010
I see another USS Liberty on the horizon. Only this time Israel will be wanting Iran to get the blame instead of Egypt. Iran has about twice as many subs so who's to say they aren't watching Israels subs and just waiting for Israel to move.

I think the Germans have a better reputation building subs than the Iranians, and to think they gave some of these away as a "gift"...

edit on 24-9-2012 by Foppezao because: (no reason given)

Israel receives these as "gifts" but they throw a tantrum when Germany agrees to sell some Submarines to Egypt.

After Israeli lobbying, Germany pledges to reassess sub deal with Egypt, report claims

It looks like they don't like their regional allies to possess the same technology as they do.

Seems kind of unfair eh?

I don't know how you can trust any countries news outlets... any. But I do believe Iran's threats in fact I expect them to actually carry through. It's not the people of Iran that the West or Isreal hates it's the fanatic leaders. Their belief is that the 12th Iman cannot come back until there is total caous. Well they (the radicals) are intent on making that happen. Really no different than radical Christians trying to bring about the return of Christ.

Just imagine if the Pope and western world would have had nukes 600 years ago. That to me is the biggest fear in this whole thing. Yeah you can live with a nuclear Iran that had a normal non-Jihad government. But at this time they don't and in their mind everyone is a martyr so their doing their populace a favor.

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Please don't consider my response as defending Iran or as an attack on your post but I believe that you have bought into some of the propaganda that we have all been bombarded with. In my opinion, and many share the same opinion as I, Iran is not the fanatical regime that it has been portrayed to be.

Yes, Iran can be considered fanatical if you buy into the whole 12th Madhi thing that we are always reminded about but if you think about it Iran is one of the more moderate Muslim countries in the world. Most American allies such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain... are just as if not much more fanatical.

In your defense these countries are not developing a nuclear program. You may believe that Iran's program is not for peaceful purposes but I have seen zero credible evidence indicating that Iran's program is for weapons. They have just recently announced that they do not plan on enriching past 20% which is much lower than what can be considered weapons grade.

Iran does not intend to enrich uranium above the 20 percent level, the chief of Iran's nuclear program told the country's media outlets on Monday, adding that Iran increased its enrichment activities after failing to obtain uranium for its Tehran research facility.

The comments by Head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran Fereydoun Abbasi came after the Iranian nuclear chief said earlier Monday that that "terrorists and saboteurs" might have infiltrated the International Atomic Energy Agency in an effort to derail his country's nuclear program.

www.haaretz.com...

I'm not saying that you should believe it just because they said it, but I believe their statements have much more credence compared to anything coming out of Israel on this issue.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by Foppezao

Originally posted by buster2010
I see another USS Liberty on the horizon. Only this time Israel will be wanting Iran to get the blame instead of Egypt. Iran has about twice as many subs so who's to say they aren't watching Israels subs and just waiting for Israel to move.

I think the Germans have a better reputation building subs than the Iranians, and to think they gave some of these away as a "gift"...

edit on 24-9-2012 by Foppezao because: (no reason given)

Israel receives these as "gifts" but they throw a tantrum when Germany agrees to sell some Submarines to Egypt.

After Israeli lobbying, Germany pledges to reassess sub deal with Egypt, report claims

It looks like they don't like their regional allies to possess the same technology as they do.

Seems kind of unfair eh?

Maybe they should have gone for the Walrus class subs, we're the only one to successfully "sink" an aircraft carrier: the Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71 and many of its escorts during exercise JTFEX/TMDI99.

Originally posted by Foppezao
I think the Germans have a better reputation building subs than the Iranians, and to think they gave some of these away as a "gift"...

I heard rumors the German BND has an emergency switch in these subs. If the German Counselorette doesn't want them to fire they will not fire, “beware of Greeks bearing gifts”, you know... Just joking.

Keep in mind that Israel only has 4 active submarines at the moment. All only capable of firing cruise missiles from the torpedo tubes. Supposedly, they have some 200kg nuclear warheads for these missiles, but there is no confirmation on that.

Meanwhile, Iran has 28 active submarines. 3 Kilo class subs from Russia, 4 Yugo class subs from North Korea, 19 Ghadir class, 1 Nahang class and 1 Fateh class sub all domestically built.

Iran also has a supercavitating torpedo which is much faster than the torpedoes Israel is using. If they manage to locate and destroy those 4 Israeli subs, the threat is neutralized. Aside from any surface or air based nuclear warheads they may or may not have.

This OLD NEWS
They published these plans to station a nuclear armed sub off Iran when they took delivery of the last german sub.....(which by the way...is one of the stealthiest subs available.)....remember the battle lof the Atlantic?
germany is way advanced in submarine construction.

I dont think the subs of irans navy match up well against these ones.....

Isn't the OP article two years old????