Originally posted by TheComte
It's time to end the tax-free status of religious institutions. They've had a free ride for far too long. And in these times of fiscal uncertainty, governments could sure use the income.
Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by something wicked
I know it's the German state's system but it is German Bishops who initiated this action...and the Pope who ratified it. I have to disagree with you and say that this really is therefore a Catholic issue.
Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by christina-66
That's very christian of them. I guess deep down, they're like every other business. Don't pay get no service.
I have a problem with them being tax exempt. They still use city services yet don't have to pay property taxes, so the rest of us have to foot the bill. In the mean time, they can collect their daily donations, collect money from weekly bingo nights, hold raffles and casino nights, not to mention church sponsored spaghetti dinners. In the mean time, priests are living high on the hog and churches are being remodeled all the time.
My baptist church did that to my mom after a new young pastor took over. We didn't have much disposable income and my parents could not even afford to get me braces even on a payment plan. But they wanted what little we had. We got enough sermons that said our relationship with Jesus seemed to depend on it.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by christina-66
Does it say how much the tax is? I get a letter from the church I attend (for Christmas?) usually saying something like based on their info I should be donating a minimum of $550 a year. They even include a convenient letter to put my check in.
Despite this church levy being optional, at the behest of German Bishops and with the approval of the Pope, Germans who do not pay will be refused the right to be members of a congregation, take communion, become God-parents or even to have a religious funeral.
the Catholic Church is threatening to excommunicate people who declare they are not catholics to avoid paying a tax that the state is imposing on them.
it is akin to denying God to avoid paying a tax.
it is possible that the enemies of the church in germany are purposely imposing this tax in the Churches name to persecute Catholics and Christians.
the Catholic Church has no authority to impose taxes on citizens in another country. it is the german parliament that has tax powers.
by saying you have to deny Christs Church to avoid having 8% of your income tax go to your church is only someone that the enemies of God would think of. possibly the doings of the illuminati or others who worship evil forces
In a landmark ruling, a German court has upheld the right of Catholics in Germany to refuse to pay church tax but remain members of the Catholic church.
The judgement of the Administrative Court in Freiburg of July 15 dismissed the case brought by the Catholic church against Staufen-im-Breisgau, which, as the hometown of Hartmut Zapp, had certified his unorthodox application to leave the church.
In Germany, Protestant and Catholic churches are at once denominations and legal statutory bodies. In the latter capacity, the churches have tax-raising powers. The state collects the tax and passes it on to the churches, receiving a payment for this service. The sole way of avoiding church tax is formally to leave one’s church.
Zapp added a rider to his formal declaration saying that he was only leaving the Roman Catholic church as a statutory body under German law. His rider signaled his intention to continue as a member of the church as a community of faith. He was thus publicly resisting the automatic excommunication incurred as a result of completing the formal procedure.
For decades, the Catholic church in Germany has been accustomed to dizzying wealth underpinned by tax revenues: $61 billion in from 1998 to 2007, with $6.5 billion in the year 2007 alone.
....the provisions in the 1933 Reich Concordat, which allows the church to levy the tax.
Originally posted by seen2much
The above comment represents an old form of Christianity pre-dating the Pope and Luther. People should research Gnosticism, the Evionim and early Christianity.