President Obama Throws Israel Under The Bus

JIDF is strong within this thread.

Be on guard, my friends, they are everywhere. Google the acronym.

Did Israel help the U.S. in the Iraq war? No. Why should we help them with Iran? We do their dirty work. They egg the U.S. on to attack Iraq, yet they didn't send any significant number of soldiers.

What happens to a country when it gets nuclear weapons?
It has the means to defend itself.

What happens to countries when it does no have nuclear weapons?
Look at history.

I just am astonished that I actually agree with Obama for once. There's got to be something going on that I am not seeing.

Somebody mentioned JFK.

reply to post by ollncasino


Oh really making stuff up?

Netanyahu in 1992: Iran close to having nuclear bomb

Scott Peterson at the Christian Science Monitor did a useful timeline for dire Israeli and US predictions of an imminent Iranian nuclear weapon, beginning 20 years ago.

1992: Israeli member of parliament Binyamin Netanyahu predicts that Iran was “3 to 5 years” from having a nuclear weapon.

1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres predicts an Iranian nuclear warhead by 1999 to French TV.

1995: The New York Times quotes US and Israeli officials saying that Iran would have the bomb by 2000.

1998: Donald Rumsfeld tells Congress that Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit the US by 2003.

And the video is not proof of them having nukes it just opinion.

reply to post by ollncasino


Good it's about time! Our "friendship" with Israel (like our friendships with many countries) is one sided. The tax payer gives and gives, our young men and women die how is this benefiting us?

I'm sorry.. how did we throw Israel under the bus here? Is it because Obama didn't instantly bow to his "Massa" Israel and start bombing Iran?

It is not our job to be Israels bodyguard. Period. Let them handle their own problems. Enough is enough.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Actually the OP was mine but the derailment is still true. Tbh, I was easily drawn into derailing my own thread anyway. So your point is correct but you aimed it at the wrong poster...

Oh crap, wrong thread. I got a bit confused there! haha

Here is another map of Islamic aggression.

This is the picture showing how those who killed their prophet were fading their belief.

Originally posted by benrl
... Why didn't we rush to stop NK a country we still technically are at war with? ...

I think it's because they (DPRK) turned their country into one giant fortress (they had 50 to 60 years to do it). Plus very little resources for the west to exploit.

Under the bus?....pfft...it should have been over the cliff.

If any of you support the zionist ridiculousness that we need to "support God's chosen people"...you are idiots....if they "are"...God's chosen people...they do not need us...they need to stand or fall all by themselves....I am sick of their influence in our country.

if you don't like that.,...too bad...they are not here to save your soul....their relationship with whatever spaghetti monster you want to believe in has nothing to do with you...hype and more hype...."the noodle man" will handle things just fine....you need to let that stupid crap go...Israel can stand or fall all by themselves...I do not care.

Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Good it's about time! Our "friendship" with Israel (like our friendships with many countries) is one sided. The tax payer gives and gives, our young men and women die how is this benefiting us?

You know Zionism ?

You are honored to pay and die for them.

And maybe they give you their bike for a ride on the other side.

But I doubt.

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by ollncasino

 

My worry is more along the lines of how Israel sees us. This is not an isolated incident. Obama has been acting really luke warm at best towards Israel's concerns.

Does this lead Israel to conclude they no longer have to pay any attention to the US, since we're not paying any attention to them? How, practically, do we hold them in check now, if they feel Iran is going to uncork a nuke?

It looks like we're taking ourselves out of the game, and if the only remaining players are Israel and Iran, I don't see how war can be avoided.

And how does Iran see us? If they believe we won't get involved, then what's stopping them from attacking?

Yup, I'm worried.

I can't seem to help but notice YOU seem awfully concerned about Israel. Are you scared that if we don't play nice with Israel that they will bomb US? What kind of friend says to you "If you don't help me bomb my enemy I will bomb YOU?"

It is time to wake up people! Israel is not our ally! They have their own agenda. They want us to fight their wars for them or they will force us to through false flag operations as they have done in the past. I say let them wage war. I say let those in America who support that war join them in Israel where they can fight for their salvation since that is what this is all about.

If you disagree that this is religiously motivated I would love to hear your argument! Otherwise, let the religious zealots have their war WITHOUT UNITED STATES SUPPORT!

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

Ten Facts That Prove that Iran Wants The Bomb

The word proof doesn't mean what you think it means.

And they've been banging the 'omgz Iran is months away from having a nuke' threat for decades now.

However since you seem to favour Youtube as a source

I think to say that obama "threw them under the bus" in pretty biased and lacking basis in reality.

It is more like Israel is about to throw themselves into the street, charging directly at a bus, and Obama is saying "Quit being dramatic.. and if ya get hurt...

Don't come crying to us!"



I'm sorry that the aggressive israel who feel they have a god-given right to kill over land feels that we should be supporting them in a PRE-EMPTIVE strike. Where were they on 9/11? Oh yeah -- busy dancing and cheering. Don't get me wrong -- I don't want Iran to have nukes any more than anyone does. Forget that nonsense. There is only a modest list of countries I'd want LESS to have one. But neither do I want my country to be dragged into a war which could end up epic, global, and possibly nuclear.

I mean, russia pretty much already warned us not to attack iran. Don't they have nukes? China? I say lets worry about the nuclear powers already existing, threatening to mess us up if we do this. Maybe that seems too logical. We're that worried about what happens if Iran suddenly has a few nukes? Okay, then I'll look the other way while the US violates whatever nuclear-proliferation whatever and makes a few thousand new warheads. Really, who's going to find out? (You kids can have as many pop guns as you want, as long as you don't set them off in the house!) Israel got nukes somehow, even though they're not supposed to have them. No one seems to be threatening them with annihilation.


The longer this goes on and the more I follow it, the more it seems like one big, phony, sad game.

And we may all lose, if people don't smarten up.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Once his second term began, FDR did everything he could to get the US attacked, to give us an excuse to enter WW2.

Do you mean to say that FDR instigate Pearl Harbor?

DERP.

Actually, yes. Roosevelt started by shipping supplies and war materials to Britian, hoping for a repeat of the Lusitania. Hitler steadfastly refused to take the bait, not attacking American ships even though he knew they carried war supplies to England. Churchill continued to pressure FDR to enter the war on Britian's behalf. Roosevelt then tried a different strategy.

He lent military support to China to aid in their fight against Japan. He also used the US Navy to deny the Japanese access to the strategic raw materials they needed to continue their war efforts. He knew that eventually the Japanese would have to neutralize the US Navy if they wanted to continue their imperialistic war. Once the Japanese attacked at Pearl Harbor, the US could declare war on Japan. As part of the Tripartate Pact, when the US declared war on Japan, Germany and Italy were treaty bound to declare war on the US.

After Pearl Harbor, the great bulk of the US military was concentrated in the war effort in Europe, where we weren't attacked, with just enough in the Pacific to maintain the balance. It wasn't until after the course of the war in Europe was assured that the US began to put significant resources into the Pacific theatre.

FDR goaded Japan into prematurely attacking the US so that we could enter the war in Europe.

Originally posted by iwilliam
I think to say that obama "threw them under the bus" in pretty biased and lacking basis in reality.

It is more like Israel is about to throw themselves into the street, charging directly at a bus, and Obama is saying "Quit being dramatic.. and if ya get hurt...

Don't come crying to us!"



I'm sorry that the aggressive israel who feel they have a god-given right to kill over land feels that we should be supporting them in a PRE-EMPTIVE strike. Where were they on 9/11? Oh yeah -- busy dancing and cheering.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't want Iran to have nukes any more than anyone does. Forget that nonsense. There is only a modest list of countries I'd want LESS to have one. But neither do I want my country to be dragged into a war which could end up epic, global, and possibly nuclear.

I mean, russia pretty much already warned us not to attack iran. Don't they have nukes? China? I say lets worry about the nuclear powers already existing, threatening to mess us up if we do this. Maybe that seems too logical. We're that worried about what happens if Iran suddenly has a few nukes? Okay, then I'll look the other way while the US violates whatever nuclear-proliferation whatever and makes a few thousand new warheads. Really, who's going to find out? (You kids can have as many pop guns as you want, as long as you don't set them off in the house!) Israel got nukes somehow, even though they're not supposed to have them. No one seems to be threatening them with annihilation.


The longer this goes on and the more I follow it, the more it seems like one big, phony, sad game.

And we may all lose, if people don't smarten up.

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Having grown up during the height of the "Cold War" and being enlisted for 10 years I can attest to the feeling of anxiety over a possible war with Russia! We would be very Naive if we thought it was survivable.

What that war will leave, only the dinosaurs have seen!

ONECRAFTYDUDE (Shameless Plug)

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Dear onecraftydude,

I can't seem to help but notice YOU seem awfully concerned about Israel.

Yes, actually, I am. There are several reasons for that. First, we are formally allies with Israel. We have already shown the world that our allies shouldn't trust us with our actions in Egypt, Libya, and the UK. I think it's important that we try to salvage some reputation for sticking by our friends. Second, I assume they have nukes. That makes Israel important by itself. If they ask for a billion a year to make sure nothing happens in the Mid-East, fine with me.

There are other reasons, such as strategic location, and having a country that is not a theocracy, but consider what happens if Jews are destroyed. (Besides HUGE celebrations in the Muslim world.) Science suffers a blow from which it might not recover. Islamic countries, with their billion plus populations, have produced one, officially Muslim, Nobel prize winner in the sciences. (The other one was declared by the government to be a non-Muslim) And the one Muslim who did win the prize shared it with two others, at least one of whom was Jewish.

Are you scared that if we don't play nice with Israel that they will bomb US?

Nope, never even thought of it. Russia, China, the Norks, Iran, any of those guys are more of a worry to me than Israel.

Do I think it's religiously motivated? I'm not sure what you mean. Each country involved has at least three reasons for its position. I believe religious reasons are most powerful in Iran, less powerful in Israel, and least powerful in the United States. If the President sets foreign policy, I can't think of what religious reason he could possibly have for backing Israel.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952


I don't think we ever had Israel "in check". A better description of the US relationship to Israel might be "a sometimes willing enabler, incapable of discerning what common sense should dictate, allowing itself to be bullied by a far lesser power, and mostly agreeing to what that lesser power already wants to do".

There should be little to no fear. What is Israel to the US? Unless, deep down inside, one might fear what those in power at the moment in Israel are truly capable of...

It's about time we have someone who doesn't allow Israel to dictate our foreign policy. I'm not worried in the least. Israel has influenced too many of our elected officials.

AN APOLOGY.

I found out, in another thread, that my facts were wrong on an important point. I have heard Presidents say for years that Israel is our "ally." I just took it for granted that that meant they were our ally. BUT I WAS WRONG.

Technically, to be an ally there must be a signed mutual defense treaty. We don't have that with Israel. I'm sorry for misleading you. They are allies only in the sense of being good friends.