Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by trebor451
So - do NOT kill your own constituents (like Kevin Cosgrove) to achieve machiavellian objectives, for starters..
Do NOT torture.
Do NOT wage illegal pre-emptive warfare resulting in over a million deaths.
edit on 11-10-2012 by NewAgeMan because: edit
Thanks! I'm sorry it took you so long, but I suppose you have been busy with other posts.
You seem to have just muddied the waters though. What do you mean "do NOT kill your own constituents"? I wasn't aware that West Islip, NY
(Cosgrove's residence) was represented by members of al Qaeda. Are you saying that the member of the House of Representatives representing West Islip
at the time, Rep Steve Israel, is a member of al Quaeda? Or perhaps one of the Senators (Chuck Shumer or Hillary Clinton)? Or President Bush? Are
you accusing them of being al Qaeda members? Wow! You'd better take your evidence to the authorities right away! I mean, its been over 11 years now!
I bet they'd be ecstatic to get your evidence!
Your second point..."do NOt torture"...was that tossed in there to just to confuse people? I don't know what that has to do with the death of Kevin
Cosgrove. Was he tortured? From his voice on the phone it sounded like he was suffering from smoke inhalation from fires some people here and
elsewhere said were non-existent and were small and insignificant, but perhaps he just had a case of indigestion instead. Could you elaborate?
As far as your last point goes, that being (I suppose) "...wage[ing] illegal pre-emptive warfare..." again, I am not certain how this relates to Kevin
Cosgrove. Was there an "illegal pre-emptive war" going on that led to Mr. Cosgrove's death? Please...if you could let us know what 1) what war was
going on that caused Cosgrove's death, 2) What was "pre-emptive" about it and 3) what made it "illegal", we would all be in debt to you.
Unless there is some treaty that I am unaware of that was passed and ratified by the US Senate that renders our US Constitution regarding national
sovereignty in the community of nations on this globe null and void and obligates us to some "world law" that makes "war" illegal (was the
Kellog-Briand Pact resurrected, the dust blown off and passed...again?), I am not aware of anything that would preclude us from engaging in warfare
with *anyone* so long as a threat to our national interests/national sovereignty are in play. International law, I'm sure you know (perhaps you
don't) allows nations (in this specific case, UN-member nations via Article 51 of the UN Charter) to reserve the right of self-protection when they
have already suffered an attack. The only "major" (a relative word, "major") conflict I know that was going on at the time of Mr. Cosgrove's death
that could even be *remotely* related to this topic was possibly enforcement of the No-Fly Zone in Iraq, a military action supported in full by the
United Nations. However, 12 years ago to this day the attack, by terrorists, on the USS Cole occurred, which could very well be considered an act of
war against the US, as any attack by terrorists could be considered, regardless of your penchant for blaming the US for such an act. Simply because
you say something is "illegal" does not make it so and there are centuries of international law that weighs in against you regarding anticipatory
So, if you could elucidate a bit on your claims and provide a bit more clarity on why you believe Mr. Cosgrove would have wanted those "things", as
silly and meaningless and inane as they are, I'd appreciate it.
edit on 12-10-2012 by trebor451 because: (no reason given)