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Your thoughts ATS?
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Originally posted by chelle21689
I care whether or not I go. It's like being tortured but not dying and you just want to die but you can't. You're already dead.
Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by DragonRain311
Your thoughts ATS?
I don't know. Makes me wonder about what religion they are. I don't know of any religion where you get sent to Hell for breaking some rules. Seems like an odd religion. One I've never heard of before.
In my religion there is the punishment of death for sin. But everyone has to deal with that. It has nothing to do with following rules. We all pay that punishment.
But my religion says that God sent his Son to defeat death for us in the end. When we die we go to be with the Lord. At the end of the world we will be resurrected on a new earth. It does say there might be Hell for those that choose to go there. But not for anyone that doesn't want to go.
In my religion there is a set of laws to make a nation holy, but says those were a shadow of things to come. They don't make the individual holy.
In fact my religion teaches that it is impossible for a person to save themselves. No matter what they do or how many rules they follow they will fail. They have a flesh nature and flesh heart that keeps them in bondage so that they cannot save themselves. It's like a person trying to save themselves from quicksand. They will only sink faster if they thrash around trying to do good works to get them out.
That is called legalism, and does not work, because if you've broken one part of the law, you've broken the whole of the law. It says that trying to save yourself with good works is like filthy rags to the Lord! Your own works are nothing compared to the work he will do in you.
After all, how good can your works be if you're stuck in quicksand? Gotta get out of the quicksand first. You gotta grab God's rope and climb out of your flesh nature first.
My religion teaches that the Holy Spirit was sent to guide our heart and change our flesh nature to a spiritual nature. Then we can follow the spiritual law. Does a wolf follow a set of rules to be a wolf? No, it lives by its nature. What then must one do to follow a spiritual set of laws? Our nature must become spiritual!
However, by the time that starts, you've already been saved. It's a free gift just to get you started. You get the gift of holiness and a ticket out of Hell the first time through the door. Without doing anything at all except saying you'll take the free ticket. He's lowered a rope to get you out. Grab it and climb up. Don't sink.
Don't fall to legalism. You don't check off your grocery list while you're sinking. Grab the rope first!edit on 23-9-2012 by tinfoilman because: (no reason given)