Iran readies domestic Internet system, blocks Google

Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by XPLodER
in response to what?
if its about control of the ideas and thoughts of a population, why now?

"Why now?" Keep up. Censoring of the internet in Iran is nothing new. What galvanised this latest push for internet control is the way that the internet was used prior to and during the post-election protests a few years ago - and still is used by activists and opposition in Iran today.

you cant discount the situation they are in,
or do you have a reason to do so?

What?

"The official state online censorship body in Iran has reported that Google and Gmail are going to be blocked effective immediately, ostensibly in response to the contentious videos that YouTube is hosting

search.slashdot.org...

this source is saying that google was blocked due to that video about muslims,
and that it is only to punish google.

xploder

Originally posted by omnihue
Please accept my hypothetical: You and I are on the brink of war.. would you mind so much if I connect my computer to yours? and if I can't please tell me why.

No I'd rather not delve into your crap analogy thanks.

Originally posted by XPLodER

"The official state online censorship body in Iran has reported that Google and Gmail are going to be blocked effective immediately, ostensibly in response to the contentious videos that YouTube is hosting

search.slashdot.org...

this source is saying that google was blocked due to that video about muslims,
and that it is only to punish google.

xploder

So their explanation is that they are denying the Iranian populace a means of accessing online content (prior to the implementation of a state-controlled 'Iraniweb' at which point virtually all of this content is denied to them anyway), but only as a means of 'punishing' Google for a Youtube video which Iranians aren't even able to watch, since Youtube is also blocked. Seems really plausible.

Originally posted by omnihue
I can't believe the ignorance of some views in this thread.
Google is Jewish owned the last I knew -

Surely, Google is a public listed company and is therefore owned by the shareholders. Not really a Jewish angle here, although the fantasy sounds good and no doubt a few people associated with Google have Jewish sounding names and crook noses.

To topic. Iran is just like a line of autocracies whose state policy is to filter and censor the internet and control what the public see. It is misleading to compare the type of filtering and censorship which goes on in the West, such as filtering paedophilia or logging as in any way comparable to the routine censorship of large parts of the WWW to the public prevalent in some countries.

The list of countries whose censorship is deep and coordinated are those nations who fear their population knowing what is going on. Keep the population in blissful ignorance and indoctrinated, and the leadership can carry on as usual.

Regards

that's a big lie ... today ... I myself have used google and g-mail 30 times by now .

there's 2 types of filtering in here (Iran my beloved country) :

Porn websites and Political (against roots of Islamic Republic, most of them based on lies) .

each website that has been filtered have something to do with one of these types !

sites like facebook (for political reasons) & bbc persian (political reasons), Haaretz etc.

So use a VPN and anon Proxy, sortid

Originally posted by docgreen15
So use a VPN and anon Proxy, sortid

actually most of us make it this way ! so there's no filtering to be accurate !!!

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Another way to look at it, with all the war propaganda being aimed at Iran, and the concerted effort being pushed in Washington for war with Iran, and the fact the Internet is an invention of DARPA and the US military, it would be kinda crazy for Iran to remain a part of the Internet. How much good that will do them (dumping the net for their own version) remains to be seen, since most of the hardware (routers, network switches, etc.) are still western tech., and potentially sources for foreign intrusion. I suspect censoring their own population isn't the main drive behind this as it is to rid themselves of a serious liability (relying on foreign network technology) in the face of potential war.

edit on 23-9-2012 by Blackmarketeer because: (no reason given)

Stuxnet anyone? That way if anymore of the Siemens software and equipment gets infected, they would know that it came direct. Not over the internet.

There is no reasonable argument supporting the iranian administrations decision. This is simple tyranny..close off information from the outside world, keep people spoon fed propaganda, etc.

Its times like this when you know you stand on the right side of history to oppose Iran's government..

The people of Iran are good people, I worked with a couple iranians...very nice..religious kooks, but thats how I feel about anyone religious, so meh, that doesn't bother me much...but they are very western desiring and progressive..their rulers are ruthless jerks, and its no wonder they have a near revolution every election season..they just never get the momentum to see it through.

I encourage anyone in auto-denial of any wrongdoing by the iranian government to just shut up and go visit...don't go to just the tourist traps...step out and visit the local neighborhoods..talk to the people..not about politics, but of their life. Ask them if they play video games, etc...You will quickly learn that these people are just like you and I, but living under what feels like a medieval petty king.

Anyhow, back to logistics. I say we bomb iran with internet ready untrackable devices..just ship mass quantities over...let the people plan..this is an attempt by the government to stop any coherent revolution.

Originally posted by samadfallah
that's a big lie ... today ... I myself have used google and g-mail 30 times by now .

there's 2 types of filtering in here (Iran my beloved country) :

Porn websites and Political (against roots of Islamic Republic, most of them based on lies) .

each website that has been filtered have something to do with one of these types !

sites like facebook (for political reasons) & bbc persian (political reasons), Haaretz etc.

edit on 24-9-2012 by samadfallah because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-9-2012 by samadfallah because: (no reason given)

And how do you feel about that?

countries whose censorship is deep and coordinated are those nations who fear their population knowing what is going on. Keep the population in blissful ignorance and indoctrinated, and the leadership can carry on as usual.

reply to post by paraphi


Sound's like America to me. The hypocrisy that Americans display on a daily basis is mind boggling.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
There is no reasonable argument supporting the iranian administrations decision. This is simple tyranny..close off information from the outside world, keep people spoon fed propaganda, etc.

Its times like this when you know you stand on the right side of history to oppose Iran's government..

The people of Iran are good people, I worked with a couple iranians...very nice..religious kooks, but thats how I feel about anyone religious, so meh, that doesn't bother me much...but they are very western desiring and progressive..their rulers are ruthless jerks, and its no wonder they have a near revolution every election season..they just never get the momentum to see it through.

I encourage anyone in auto-denial of any wrongdoing by the iranian government to just shut up and go visit...don't go to just the tourist traps...step out and visit the local neighborhoods..talk to the people..not about politics, but of their life. Ask them if they play video games, etc...You will quickly learn that these people are just like you and I, but living under what feels like a medieval petty king.

Anyhow, back to logistics. I say we bomb iran with internet ready untrackable devices..just ship mass quantities over...let the people plan..this is an attempt by the government to stop any coherent revolution.

in a few posts above an iraian has posted this

that's a big lie ... today ... I myself have used google and g-mail 30 times by now .

so this is being blown up for all the haters to have a reason to further condemn a nation who does filter,
but not to the level the op wants you to believe
and not for the reason the op gives

sad day when out right propaganda gets parroted on ats
to demonize a country to build a case to level it.

yes that will help, they dont have internet lets level the place

i mean wtf?

xploder

Originally posted by mark1167

countries whose censorship is deep and coordinated are those nations who fear their population knowing what is going on. Keep the population in blissful ignorance and indoctrinated, and the leadership can carry on as usual.

reply to post by paraphi

 

Sound's like America to me. The hypocrisy that Americans display on a daily basis is mind boggling.

cognitive disodence

Cognitive dissonance is the term used in modern psychology to describe the state of holding two or more conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. In a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel surprise, dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment.[1] The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements

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it would look to me like anything that challenges the ops (and others) perception is faced with,
is

the facts dont fit with there preconceived world view so they ignore them.

iran cant block the net,
it is not technically possible to block the web without crashing their own economy,

if they try it then citizens and governments will simply work around the blockade

i see this thread as fear warmongering to get support to drop bombs

this helps NO ONE

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by SaturnFX
There is no reasonable argument supporting the iranian administrations decision. This is simple tyranny..close off information from the outside world, keep people spoon fed propaganda, etc.

Its times like this when you know you stand on the right side of history to oppose Iran's government..

The people of Iran are good people, I worked with a couple iranians...very nice..religious kooks, but thats how I feel about anyone religious, so meh, that doesn't bother me much...but they are very western desiring and progressive..their rulers are ruthless jerks, and its no wonder they have a near revolution every election season..they just never get the momentum to see it through.

I encourage anyone in auto-denial of any wrongdoing by the iranian government to just shut up and go visit...don't go to just the tourist traps...step out and visit the local neighborhoods..talk to the people..not about politics, but of their life. Ask them if they play video games, etc...You will quickly learn that these people are just like you and I, but living under what feels like a medieval petty king.

Anyhow, back to logistics. I say we bomb iran with internet ready untrackable devices..just ship mass quantities over...let the people plan..this is an attempt by the government to stop any coherent revolution.

in a few posts above an iraian has posted this

that's a big lie ... today ... I myself have used google and g-mail 30 times by now .

so this is being blown up for all the haters to have a reason to further condemn a nation who does filter,
but not to the level the op wants you to believe
and not for the reason the op gives

sad day when out right propaganda gets parroted on ats
to demonize a country to build a case to level it.

yes that will help, they dont have internet lets level the place

i mean wtf?

xploder

By his accounts, the government is basically blocking anything considered pornographic or anti-government.
Consider that second one...

The government forbids things that go against the government...

So great, you can fetch your mail, but should you send email grumping about the government..well, your not just watched, your banned.

Its sort of a big deal...

Imagine if such aspects were introduced into western society...
The Obama administration has banned any political speech on the net that goes against the administration.....

Consider it for a bit...

Seeing the issue here?

Iran shows its true colors...again. I dont understand why so many of you try to defend this fascistoid regime. Probably because Ahmadenijad shares your favorite conspiracy-theories...

reply to post by SaturnFX


i fully hate censorship,
with a passion,
but i also respect a nation state protecting itself from religious hate speech,
including that dumb propagada video circulating the net,
which proves the point that hate speech should not be free,
my country NZ has laws against religious hate speech,
ARE WE AGAINST FREE SPEECH?

i beleive that critasizing your govenment should be allowed,
like the usa allows, and like my govenment allows

as to defending iran?
i prefer to use common sense,
rather than name calling

xpldoer

reply to post by Skyfloating


Maybe you forgot about the 2 billion dollar spy center in Nevada the NSA just built to track emails, internet acitivity and communications anywhere inside the U.S. in real time.That seems pretty fascist to me.

This is what I'm talking about. Absolute hypocrisy. It's ok for America to do it, rah rah, but when another country does it it's bad, and fascist. This is like the cat calling the kettle black.
I don't support the Iranian government, just like I don't support the American government, but you can't just keep running around the world going, "do as I say, not as I do".

Originally posted by mark1167
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

Maybe you forgot about the 2 billion dollar spy center in Nevada the NSA just built to track emails, internet acitivity and communications anywhere inside the U.S. in real time.That seems pretty fascist to me.

This is what I'm talking about. Absolute hypocrisy. It's ok for America to do it, rah rah, but when another country does it it's bad, and fascist. This is like the cat calling the kettle black.
I don't support the Iranian government, just like I don't support the American government, but you can't just keep running around the world going, "do as I say, not as I do".

i dont see iran pushing SOPA and PIPA style legislation on the world,
in fact i think it was the usa who came into my country to get dot com
????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
the transpacific partnership is really good for free speech,
if you a multinational corp that is

america was trying to force other countries to "down web sights"
and "block" dns resolving for people they accused of infringement,

i like america,
i like Americans
i dont like censorship

xploder

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Iran shows its true colors...again. I dont understand why so many of you try to defend this fascistoid regime. Probably because Ahmadenijad shares your favorite conspiracy-theories...

Defend is a strong word, maybe doubt our government of telling the truth. PS-If you live in the States, you live in a fascist state as well...or are you not aware of that as well? Unless you live there, you are subject to the same MSM propaganda that we all get the enjoyment of listening to. So correct me if I am wrong please.

Originally posted by mark1167
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

Maybe you forgot about the 2 billion dollar spy center in Nevada the NSA just built to track emails, internet acitivity and communications anywhere inside the U.S. in real time.That seems pretty fascist to me.

surveillance is not faqscist - it is authritarian - whether facist or socialist of natinalist or any other -ist is irrelevant.

This is what I'm talking about. Absolute hypocrisy. It's ok for America to do it, rah rah, but when another country does it it's bad, and fascist. This is like the cat calling the kettle black.

surveillance is not censorship.

Not that surveillance is good - it is just that you do not know what it is nor, apparently, what the other topics you introduced are.

I don't support the Iranian government, just like I don't support the American government, but you can't just keep running around the world going, "do as I say, not as I do".

Actually you can - but you shouldn't be surprised when "it" all comes home to roost, people give you the finger, throw bombs at you, etc. which is actually what I suspect you mean

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

He may have missed the mark but he hit the target. USA is fascist.

Fascists seek to unify their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people through national identity.

Wikipedia entry on fascism.

To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[13] Fascism promotes political violence and war as forms of direct action that promote national rejuvenation, spirit and vitality.[3][14] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations to commit or threaten violence against their opponents.[15]

The people probably aren't even aware of it. The government certainly is.