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Naming Names - The Real Goverment

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:43 PM

Democracy is a Form of Oppression

The modern concept of “democracy” is perhaps the most effective form of human oppression ever devised. It has single-handedly convinced billions of people around the world that if only they cast their vote at each election, struggle behind their favorite politicians and pet political causes, they can change the world. And as each side of any given political paradigms struggles against each other, a singular agenda continues to march forth, one above and beyond “democracy” and the strategies of tension we’ve all been mired in.

This is a bold claim, because most people in the western world still regard democracy as the pinnacle of human achievement.
But what was once an ideal, the ultimate form of freedom for a society, has now degraded to what could be perhaps best summed up by this quote :

"America has gone from 'one propertied man, one vote; to one man, one vote; to one person, one vote; trending to one dollar, one vote". A. Michael Spence

To identify and align ourselves with one side of the political spectrum is something that is deeply rooted in our culture. But in fact are both sides, for a very long time, essentially driven and controlled by the same 'forces'.

No better can this be illustrated than in American politics where still, many people believe there is some sort of discernible difference between Republicans and Democrats. However, for example, from 2000-2012, we see a singular Western agenda of invading, occupying, dividing, overthrowing, destroying, and installing client regimes across the Arab World and to a lesser extent, across Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe. However, within that period, we saw two allegedly ideologically opposed presidents in office.

Most definitely, this is old news and common knowledge for anybody who's reading this right now, yet we still seem to fall back into the same old bi-partisan paradigm. Maybe we have to constantly remind ourselves who's actually running the show.


The quest for American global hegemony began with corporate-financier interests during the late 1800′s and continues today. The policy we believe is born of our leaders’ political ideologies is in reality produced by these corporate-financier interests and the myriad of think-tanks they fund and direct. The policy papers these think-tanks produce, often published and even available to read online, are then rubber stamped into law by our politicians and sold to the public through the filter of false political paradigms.

The military, political, and economic conquest of the Middle East was sold by Bush under the guise of fighting the “War on Terror.” Under Obama, it was sold as “democracy promotion.” In reality, the policies dictating both legs of this singular agenda were meted out by think-tanks possessing both Bush and Obama-era administrators, often sitting around the same table, implementing the collective will of the their corporate-financier sponsors.

This is your real government; they transcend elected administrations, they permeate every political party, and they are responsible for nearly every aspect of the average American and European's way of life. When the "left" is carrying the torch for two "Neo-Con" wars, starting yet another based on the same lies, peddled by the same media outlets that told of Iraqi WMD's, the world has no choice, beyond profound cognitive dissonance, but to realize something is wrong.


The constitutional representative governance we believe we live under, or are attempting to restore, or in some countries, trying to establish in the first place, exists only in the figments of our imaginations. To truly manifest a representative government, driven by our own ambitions and our true collective interests, toward a self-determined destiny, we must begin locally, and we must begin with much more than simply casting a ballot.


The real revolution will commence when we identify the above equation as the true brokers of power and when we begin systematically removing our dependence on them, and their influence on us from our daily lives. The global corporate-financier oligarchy needs us, we do not need them, independence from them is the key to our freedom.

Someone very close to me once said:
"Feeling powerless is a result of the effort that it takes to remain passive when we are confronted with the unacceptable. This effect is reversed the moment we start to act."

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:47 PM
reply to post by talklikeapirat

Just the word "democracy" is so sorely misunderstood in our culture that it makes me twitch. Try telling a full-on "Im a PATRIOT!!!!" type that they don't live in a democracy, but rather a representative republic and watch the reaction. It's funny.

Jefferson has a quote:

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by talklikeapirat

Just the word "democracy" is so sorely misunderstood in our culture that it makes me twitch. Try telling a full-on "Im a PATRIOT!!!!" type that they don't live in a democracy, but rather a representative republic and watch the reaction. It's funny.

Jefferson has a quote:

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”



you got it right.

"With all this talk of Democracy, people forget that we don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Republic" - President Bartlet, "The West Wing"

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 01:01 PM
i flagged this after reading the very first quote. been trying to get that point across to folks but this really does it a lot more eloquently than i could.

to me, the "vote" is nothing more than a "comment box". nobody really reads the complaints, and whatever the overlords wants to happen, will happen. its an appeasement tool.
edit on 23-9-2012 by Urantia1111 because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 01:10 PM
Republic is even a misnomer. Republican structure, plutocratic reality.

51% vs 49% type issues shouldn't even be in the political arena if a country wants to remain united. Unfortunately it is exactly these polarized issues that keep folks playing the voting game/charade.

New boss, same as the old boss. Except it's not the boss you voted for.

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 01:28 PM
reply to post by Hefficide

Try telling a full-on "Im a PATRIOT!!!!" type that they don't live in a democracy, but rather a representative republic and watch the reaction. It's funny.

Yeah you right, this can be very frustrating, especially here on ATS. I hate to quote one of these people, but the thing is, it actually has a positve side.

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

There is no denying it any more. All the information we need is out here, it can't get any more blatant than this.

I'll link your thread here again, a lot of the replies were really encouraging.
STOP! Breathe! Think! And REALIZE!,

edit on 23-9-2012 by talklikeapirat because: attention goes where energy flows

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 05:30 PM
reply to post by talklikeapirat

Democracy IS a form of oppression. In a Democracy, mob rule is THE rule.

America is a Constitutional Republic, where the rights of the individual are protected and mob rule is (in theory) kept at bay.

Yet our voting system has become oppressive. Not because of its nature, but rather because our government has taught us only what it wants us to know (as they control education on all levels, and can declare some education a "national security risk" in order to censor it) so that e keep voting in ways they want us to vote.

It isn't the system. it is that we let the system run us, intsead of us running the system. Lazy complacent morons among The People are the risk.

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 07:39 PM

posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 09:53 PM
This is why Obama and Hillary are always touting the values of "democracy" to the world and never use the word Republic.
I think they're allergic.

posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 05:46 AM
reply to post by Asktheanimals

"The world must be made safe for democracy. Its peace must be planted upon the tested foundations of political liberty. We have no selfish ends to serve. We desire no conquest, no dominion. We seek no indemnities for ourselves, no material compensation for the sacrifices we shall freely make. We are but one of the champions of the rights of mankind. We shall be satisfied when those rights have been made as secure as the faith and the freedom of nations can make them." - Woodrow Wilson

"There is something inherently wrong, something out of accord with the ideals of representative democracy, when one portion of our citizenship turns its activities to private gain amid defensive war while another is fighting, sacrificing, or dying for national preservation."
- Warren G. Harding

"There is no force so democratic as the force of an ideal." - Calvin Coolidge

"The difference between dictatorship and democracy is simple: dictators organize from the top down, democracies from the bottom up." - Herbert Hoover

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group,” - Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Any denial of human rights is a denial of the basic beliefs of democracy." - Harry S. Truman

"We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Democracy is a difficult kind of government. It requires the highest qualities of self-discipline, restraint, a willingness to make commitments and sacrifices for the general interest, and also it requires knowledge." - John F. Kennedy

"We preach the virtues of democracy abroad. We must practice its duties here at home. Voting is the first duty of democracy. " - Lyndon B. Johnson

blank - Richard Nixon

"In a democracy, the public has a right to know not only what the government decides, but why and by what process." - Gerald Ford

"The experience of democracy is like the experience of life itself-always changing, infinite in its variety, sometimes turbulent and all the more valuable for having been tested by adversity." - Jimmy Carter

"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan

"For more than forty years, America and its allies held communism in check and insured that democracy would continue to exist. And today, with communism crumbling, our aim must be to insure democracy's advance, to take the lead in forging peace and freedom's best hope, a great and growing commonwealth of free nations." - George H. W. Bush

"Our democracy must be not only the envy of the world but the engine of our own renewal. There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America." - Bill Clinton

"You can't put democracy and freedom back into a box." - George W. Bush

“This democracy we have is a precious thing. For all the arguments and all the doubts and all the cynicism that’s out there today, we should never forget that as Americans, we enjoy more freedoms and opportunities than citizens in any other nation on Earth." - Barack Obama

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