Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
elevates the common good to the number one priority in all spheres of decision-making. Private property does not fit with the philosophy of socialism.
Socialism negates private property rights altogether, & advocates the vesting of ownership and control in the community as a whole. So there is less
(if any) class differences between people.
When socialist talk about private property they don't mean your personal property, but property used to exploit labour, factories etc.
Socialism isn't really ownership by the community, but ownership by the workers. In other words instead of working for a private owner you work for
yourself. Each worker equally owns the company, like partners.
There is no class difference in socialism, that is one of the points of it, no social privileges due to class.
And all the stuff I put in is, essentially private property. And other socialists, or at least other people who claimed to be socialist, claim
that it's not okay to have more stuff than other people and it's okay to just take it away. I've had some tell me that if one person is living in a
big ten bedroom house, it's okay to take him out of that house and put a family or two or three in it.
That is incorrect. Socialism doesn't mean you can't have more than others, that is all nonsense.
The only thing socialism does is put the means of production in the hands of the workers, and then it is up to the workers, you are a worker right?,
to decide how they want to run their company.
And that's what bothers me most about socialism, is that many advocate this kind of attitude that it is okay to just take people's private
property just because they have more stuff than others, because it's all about greed and being greedy is wrong.
Because most people don't bother to find out for themselves what it actually is, and simply believe what they're told.
No one is going to take your private property unless you use it to exploit labour, which in the eyes of the worker is a crime, theft. Capitalists
have been exploiting labour for 250 years, the workers as good as own their property.
This the problem, you are getting someone else's opinion. To find out what socialism actually is, you need to read the original socialists, and
anarchists to understand it.
But you see, that is the biggest weakness to socialism, in any government form, those who control the money, control the government. That is
what has always corrupted your form of socialism, because at least as far as I know, Socialism does not have any kinds of checks and balances to
prevent people from misusing the money to their advantage/ Anybody who controls the money has power over people, regardless of the government. That is
what is corrupting America now, is the wealthy elite control the money and thus they control the government, which means it is not a government for
and by the people ANYMORE.
Socialism is not government. No one controls the money but the workers themselves, that is the point of socialism, it removes those in control and
let's the workers themselves control themselves. Full liberty from top down authority.
This is how Russia got corrupted into the Communist regime, too much money, not any checks and balances, and millions upon millions of people
get killed or sent to the gulag. Well, at least as far as I know.
Russia got corrupted because it was never communist in the first place. The Bolsheviks never intended to implemented socialism, they simply used the
revolution to take state power for themselves, not for the workers.
And finally, remember Karl Marx said that socialism was just a stepping stone on the path to communism.
No he didn't that is a myth. Communism and socialism are the same thing, worker ownership of the means of production. Marx started using the term
communism because the liberals were using the word socialism, and to differentiate his ideas from the old utopian socialists such as Robert Owen.
Later in his life Marx switched back to using the term socialism. Marx communism was working class socialism.
People get get confused because they read out of context quotes from Marx. Marx was not the first socialist, he didn't create the idea of worker
ownership, he and Engels simply created a political plan to get there. Marx never wrote about what socialism will be like, he only criticized
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