Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by newcovenant
if you're going to continue to belittle the movement using guilt by association then you;re doing a horrible job. you're more angry with the party
than you are with its members, which is fine, I hold my own frustrations with the party, but I am also doing this to change things from within. you
voicing your discontent with the 'GOP' is valid - however, were not the GRAND OLD PARTY. we are the BNP - Brand New Party. We're taking on the old
core, and if you still think that we're going to follow the same old same old then you sir are just venting your frustrations in the wrong
as I said before, you should go and make changes yourself if you're unhappy as I am. complaining and belittling what I'm doing isn't going to change a
thing. get up and do something instead of taking your shots at the GOP for your own reasons. I am helping take on the old machine and if you cant see
the goodness in that then... I don't know what else to say to you.
Ok, let me see if I understand this; Your group of inexperienced young republicans are going to bust onto the scene, show some assertiveness, win an
election, and now you're all going to change the way the GOP operates? How much money do you have? I'm just wondering, because you're going to need a
lot. Do you really think you can do battle with the likes of the Koch Brothers, and all of the old established corporate power wh*res that ply TPTB
with cash....I hope you have good lawyers and sqeaky-clean personal histories.....
In spirit, I wish you luck. I'm not conservative, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter ( although I do agree with some of his ideas...but honestly, his stance
on many social issues bothers me, and I could never support him based on those issues alone, but that's just me ).
Even though I disagree with you fundamentally on a political ideology level, I respect what you're doing. It takes guts to try this, and I applaud
Now what we really need are some Occupy folks who can pass the litmus test ( on multiple levels ) - for example- get organized, communicate well,
conform enough to establish a cohesive message, etc....and oppose you.
I would have more faith in a system that was more of a compromise between what you represent, and what the Occupy movement represents. That at least
intuitively seems fair to me.
Throughout all of this, for the long haul, the Tea Party people have revealed themselves to be the angry, pseudo-racist cramudgeons that they truly
are, and they appear now as just an angry fringe element...this would nicely edge them into obsolesence.
Now what we REALLY need is a strong Independent third party that isn't beholden to any of the old power broker's interests, a third party that will be
able to side-step the two-party BS way of solving problems.
The current two-party system is broken and impotent.
We don't need to spied upon, we don't need to be told who we can marry, wet should be free to fight against GMO foods, we should have the Right to
decide what to put into our bodies without being criminalized, women DO have an inherent biological Right to control their own bodies and Reproductive
Rights- no government should have power over any person's body...these issues should be dealt with by society at large, not the government.
On the surface, RP appears to be for individual freedom, and appears to philosophically support some of the above-mentioned issues on the surface, but
when he says that each state should govern these issues independently, then he opens the Pandora's Box that would allow racist and homophobic laws to
become valid state by state. He doesn't think women should have access to safe, confidential birth control such as abortion, yet he claims to be in
favor of individual freedoms. Like many typical conservatives, he thinks individual freedoms are great, as long as they're conservative-valued
freedoms. This is incongruous to me, and no amount of rhetoric will make me change my mind about the inconsistencies in his logic.
Most Civil Rights laws, some business/economic laws,environmental laws, and basic governance laws need to be Federally enforced and maintained. Beyond
that, let each state individually legislate themselves into hell for all I care. Then they will only have themselves to blame. We've done a lot to
move beyond institutionalized racism and discrimination in this country, and those are "the good old days" that I hope we never return to...as
individual states, or as a Union.
edit on 24-9-2012 by moonzoo7 because: typo