Americans stop hating your immigrants

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle
...i was never against immigrants, just not real thrilled about non tax paying immigrants is all.

Personally, it wasn't the fact that many didn't/don't pay taxes. It's more the fact that WE do! If they want to be a part of the Good in this Country, then there should be a way to get them started, and then allow them to quickly join the ranks of the rest, as a taxpayer. That, or abolish taxes altogether.

The worst of the illegals, though, are the criminal element. Those that don't care about our laws, and even flaunt it. I've heard of one guy that killed a teenager in a car crash that he caused while driving drunk, with no license. He walked away but was convicted of manslaughter, and deported.
Two years after that, he did the same thing in Texas to a family of 4, but he didn't leave that scene.

This is the type of thing that could have been avoided, with the proper laws in place. But, once again, our fine govt. only cares about afflicting the law-abiding with rediculousness, instead of actually making a difference with their power.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Theoratically, immigrants aren't much of a problem for big nations such as USA. America have the ability to absorb such immigrants, more so if wealth was distributed, and the immigrants would be able to contribute back to society and increase the tax revenues/GDP.

I talked to a guy from africa over here. He said he could work over here for 2 years at 5$ an hour and go home very very rich. Thats what its all about for many. He said 20grand savings here would translate to 200,000 grand back home and that the buying power of this would take it up to about 400,000 or more.

I'm tired of Europeans and other people around the world generalizing about Americans based on only what they see on TV. They can't understand that America is a melting pot of ethnic groups and cultures and that we're all made up of different beliefs. But hey, I understand, it's easy to generalize and say all Americans are the same. It's also fun and trendy too.

All throughout history,

the rather uneducated have ALWAYS blamed certain groups of people, immigrants, foreigners, jews, blacks etc. for all kinds of problems.

The reason being it is easier to hate and blame, say, the Mexicans, and be in the belief they are responsible for the lack of jobs, bad economy etc....as opposed trying to see and understand bigger and more complex things about politics and economics.

A retard can hate easily while at the same time not having a clue about anything else. You can hate Mexicans, "the immigrants", jews etc..while not even be able to spell "socialism". It's so simple.

And the politicians KNOW this (that many people are stupid)...this is why they use emotional "simpleton propaganda"..because it always works with the common people. Hate/Anger/Emotions = Powerful.

reply to post by randyvs

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I'm tired of Europeans and other people around the world generalizing about Americans based on only what they see on TV. They can't understand that America is a melting pot of ethnic groups and cultures and that we're all made up of different beliefs. But hey, I understand, it's easy to generalize and say all Americans are the same. It's also fun and trendy too.

I have never been to US. But from what we get over here it looks like its very segregated. Seems whole areas are hispanic, others African black etc. It does not look like a melting pot. It looks like a land divided.. Please correct me if I am wrong as I said I have not been there..

reply to post by purplemer

Please correct me if I am wrong as I said I have not been there.

You are wrong.
In big cities this is sometimes the case but in smaller rural places of America you do not see this.
Blacks live beside whites who live beside [insert color of your choice], all on the same street.

reply to post by purplemer


You are partially right. We do have areas that is divided into into different cultures, but in other parts of America, such as huge cities, there is a lot more diversity than what you see on TV, with shows like Friends notwithstanding. We do have our little neighborhoods such as little Chinatown in San Fransisco, but even at that it is still not wholly and entirely segregated. Even these communities have minority groups of other cultures living within them.

However, I will be honest with you. There is still a lot of racism and bigotry and intolerance in America. and not just among the Caucasians either. All groups have their bigotries.It's just gone underground because of the liberal stigma that is attached to it. But some of us are working on the problem and doing what we can to learn how to live with each other and overcome our petty bigotries. It's not an easy road, but some of us are working on it. Many of us do believe that these kinds of bigotries and intolerance are not good things for us as a country, and strive to overcome it.

Here are a few groups for you to consider:

www.overcomingracism.org...

www.alternet.org...

www.heartsandminds.org...

reply to post by flexy123


And other equally ignorant people point their finger right back and make the same stupid accusations.

I guess illegal immigration can't be a part of the problem, it must be claimed as all of the problem or none of the problem by ignorant people.

immigrants built america. without immigrants the land would be empty. the only problem is they replace american(spanish black or white americans) jobs for willing to work cheaper to make it in america.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I'm tired of Europeans and other people around the world generalizing about Americans based on only what they see on TV. They can't understand that America is a melting pot of ethnic groups and cultures and that we're all made up of different beliefs. But hey, I understand, it's easy to generalize and say all Americans are the same. It's also fun and trendy too.

I have never been to US. But from what we get over here it looks like its very segregated. Seems whole areas are hispanic, others African black etc. It does not look like a melting pot. It looks like a land divided.. Please correct me if I am wrong as I said I have not been there..

uh Europe has areas that are dominated by one ethnic group as well. hell its like that all over the world

reply to post by paganini

uh Europe has areas that are dominated by one ethnic group as well. hell its like that all over the world

No its not like that all over the world. Nor was I talking about about Europe. I was born in London. Certain parts of the city attract specific cultures. Its just does not look as pronounced. I can walk anywhere I want without a problem Is it like that in the US?

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Yes.
Mexico is a cess-pool. The Mexicans should not come to the USA because it is a better place. They should strive to improve their own Country. Let me draw a paralel. If one's car is broken down and will not start it does NOT give them the right to simply take their next door neighbor's car to the market. It is their responsibility to fix their own car.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
I think the danger lies in thinking of all immigrants as belonging to a group. In my experience, it's very hard to dislike indivuals, while very easy to dislike groups.

i, wholeheartedly agree with this remark and would add that we americans are nervous because while we're fighting for a living wage to at the very least keep a roof over our families heads and keep them fed immigrants will work for way less because the scraps they'll work for are more than they ever saw where they're from AND they will break their backs to do so and we've become a bit to lazy and that, in my opinion, is why we worry about them. we can't compete in this country.. it's either an influx of people from other countries or companies outsourcing jobs. i sincerely don't hate anyone because i'd do the very same for my family.

Originally posted by ricojo88
immigrants built america. without immigrants the land would be empty. the only problem is they replace american(spanish black or white americans) jobs for willing to work cheaper to make it in america.

Wrong.

While the number of immigrants coming in MIGHT well play a part in "taking jobs"...i think the much bigger issue is that the big corporates etc. are outsourcing the majority of their work force to india, pakistan etc.

If i would want a job, say, as a software engineer in America, chances are NOT that i cannot get one because Jesus from Tijuana made it just across the border - but INSTEAD because Motorola, Intel, [INSERT COMPANY HERE] prefers to have their programming done in India. (The same for customer support, call centers etc.)

And i can almost guarantee you that the number of jobs which are taken that way is MUCH BIGGER than the rather small number of off jobs "taken" by some immigrants into the country.

Also..the problem is NOT that some people are "willing to do jobs cheaper"....the problem is WHO the corporates are hiring. So you are blaming Jesus and Fernando that your employer prefers the cheapest workers...instead of blaming your employer?

I'm Native American....so I will reserve my right to hate immigrants.

Although hate is too strong a word.....I'm not old enough to remember any atrocities,
attempted genocides, or forced marches across country....so I'll just stick with "dislike and mistrust".

Except for immigrants who feel grandfathered in by time and subsequently hate on the
new neo-immigrants.

But it is not really them I hate....it is the hypocrisy

The US was not built by immigrants. That is pure nonsense. The US was built by the people who fought the revolutionary war, and founded the US government, and the vast number of them were natives, born on the land they founded, in the towns and cities they built, and the economic prosperity they built.

The people who settled the US centuries ago carved a nation out of the wilderness.

I am so sick of these lies people tell, mainly out of pure jealously that the countries they came from are not nearly as successful.

As a LEGAL immigrant, I have the luxury of being able to look at it from a slightly different viewpoint.
I don't like that I spent a lot of money, time, and effort to do it properly while others simply stroll in and set up shop. I would be looking over my shoulder the whole time...but that's just how I am.

I also don't like that a considerable amount of money made in wages by illegals is sent off 'home.' That money needs to spent in the local community. That's what strengthens the economy. That's how the original immigrants made some great cities in the US. The amount of money sent out of the country is obscene.

Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances. The amount of remittances in Mexico exceeds the amount of foreign direct investment in the country. This is not surprising given that a significant portion of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. Other Latin American countries like El Salvador are popular destinations for remittances. In 2005 approximately $2.5 billion was sent to El Salvador. The amount represented more than 13% of El Salvador’s GDP, or gross domestic product. It is estimated that Latin Americans residing in the United States send $30 billion dollars to their native countries.

- (from the US Immigrations Website)
That money needs to stay here. It needs to be spent in local businesses.

Other things to note:
* Immigrants don't take your jobs. They take jobs, but they never stop you from taking that job. Go ahead and apply. You'll love the low wages (no need to follow minimum wage laws when the employee is illegal, right?), poor working conditions, and lack of benefits.
* There's a lot of fake/stolen Social Security numbers floating around out there, and a great deal of tax payments being made to those numbers. Social security payments will never be collected by the illegals who pay them for fear of being found out. The tax payments are still being made. It's rare that illegals will be able to be 'leeches' since they have no legal standing by which to obtain benefits. Pick any immigrant at random and I'll bet that they have a source of income based on hard work.
* Someone mentioned the criminal element. The percentage of criminal illegals against the percentage of home-grown criminals is fractional. Criminals are criminals. It has little to do with whether they crossed the border or not.
* Consider the price of, say, a head of lettuce should all the illegal immigrants be forced away. Now you have local people demanding good wages, unions demanding benefits and medical coverage, proper breaks etc. Your salad just increased in value by 1000%.
* People who knowingly hire illegal immigrants NEVER have any responsibility, apparently. They are a big part of the problem (but you also have to consider the above point!). As long as someone is willing to hire an illegal, they will turn up.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of the American dream, and I have lived it. You can make it with hard work, and sacrifice. Remember many immigrants do just that every day.

Originally posted by purplemer


No its not like that all over the world. Nor was I talking about about Europe. I was born in London. Certain parts of the city attract specific cultures. Its just does not look as pronounced. I can walk anywhere I want without a problem Is it like that in the US?

Sure it is for example their are china towns all over when there are largely Chinese populations settling. even England is like that. And how can you say its more pronounced when you just said you never been to the states?

As far as walking somewhere with out problems

www.youtube.com...

Though lets not be over dramatic here, You can at times still walk through different ethnic neighborhoods and poor areas and not be bothered.

reply to post by poet1b


Indeed!
The rich gotta keep that cheap labor comin' to keep them profits high.
Why pay someone $100 when you can get the job done for twenty bucks & a couple of cold ones.
The rich get richer and the poor get a losing proposition all the way around.