Bolivia's Mysterious Ancient El Fuerte (The Fortress)

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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I appreciate your thread participation. Great thought process.
I'm open to all theories.

Thankyou for that.


I'm about ready to post another long unrelated Ancient civilization's thread...

I have not seen El Fuerte before. Thinking some of the Nazca lines were irrigation too. Hoping to see that other thread.




posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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I like your idea on the fires. I noted that the 'blackened' or darker area is not just within the 'doorways' but also partway up the centre column in between each 'doorway' and the rocky area to the right also has a darkened appearance but not all the way up. There is a definite line/layer of darkened stone.

Maybe the darkened areas are the substrate for the 'lighter' rock formation above. Or perhaps the 'lighter' colour is the result of something having been placed there that has leached or bleached the area so it is lighter in colour. With that thought I return to my earlier thoughts of the 'doorways' housing a substance that could reflect or refract light.

Much Peace...



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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It's on hold until tomorrow, need to rewrite a few things. Scotch and writing long in depth threads don't mix



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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The darkening at the bottom of the rock is due to rain, splashing, and chemistry. Here in West Texas it isn't so much black as it is red, from the iron rich soil. Our older gutters downtown are all stained orange/red.

It could be those were collection channels of some sort for livestock use?

I think that the application of Mazlow's Pyramid would work well here. Were these people sufficently advanced up the pyramid to see value in large public works of art? Or were there needs less abstract, more concrete and applicable to survival? That is where my mind goes first.



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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Nice topic to bring up, it's quite amazing actually.

I do tend to agree with you that one of the better explanations is the quarry hypothesis. This appears to explain most of the bizarre aspects extremely well actually.

Maybe it was like a school or university of the sorts?

I actually never knew anything about this particular site so thank you very much for deciding to post it.



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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many other structures like this, IE: Peru
they could be for any reason you cant disprove

but very compelling, thank you



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Thank you VERY MUCH!!! Fantastic post, great to learn something new, I didn't know about the Fortress.
Let me share my thoughts:

1. I don't believe in the water channel theory. If you notice..
... the grooves are not connected to the cistern above and there's no destination cistern bellow. The way the lines end at the botton is inconsistent with water channeling;

... The grooves' outer sides seem more worn out then the inner parts, suggesting something else;
... The high location of that cistern also suggests they needed gravity otherwise they could simply carve cisterns bellow.

I have a theory:

They could use the grooves to filter gold from debris!
A cart takes up the sand/ rocks(whatever they find gold in it..).
It's then thrown into the cistern to mix it with water.
Then they let the mix slide down the grooves where the small pieces of gold could be picked by men spread along the grooves.

That would also explain the decorative patterns.
Is it too crazy to consider?

F&S for you
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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 02:59 AM
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Everyone who sees carved doorways in rock talks about portholes into something.

It's quite feasible because all the doors in my house lead to one dimension in time or another....!



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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Once again, thank-you for posting this mate - this is candy to me. Must be an Archaeologists dream to pour over this site, theory-fest to say the least.


It's on hold until tomorrow, need to rewrite a few things.


Beer in hand............waiting


Scotch and writing long in depth threads don't mix


Noww that wood be a intrestinge debait
(oops - fell on my own sword there)

S&F



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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I, like many others, disagree with Von Daniken that the two divots pointing "directly into the sky" are intended for flight of any kind. Rather, I think they would have been used for there downward trajectory more so. Kind of like a slide almost.

Maybe they greased the sides and went down like a slip-n-slide



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Great thread and I see you have managed to divert our attentions away from the 'savages' running riot across the ME!!

Bravo!



As for the site... its great to see these Ancient Sites and wonder and speculate to their true Identity and Meaning. My first thoughts on the grooves were the same as others.... used for Water Gathering, maybe not much water fell up there so had to gather as much as they could for the workers and any animals present!!

I'd sure like to go back to the Past to see exactly what these Ancient Sites were for and who it was at the Sites!! If i could get a ticket i'd buy one today.



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 07:04 AM
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It looks like a steppe farm.

Makes tons of sense if you think about a group people living on a mountain, with animals that eat their crops, and no pesticides trying to feed everyone.

Plus you said there were carvings of snakes... aren't snakes well known for chasing off vermin in farms?

Here's a random pic of a steppe farm off google images:




posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
I'll add this map of the overall site.



Thanks for sharing this new thread with us. S&F material..once again.

I have never seen this model before, a lot of detail but.....It looks like the inner workings of a zzapp-pistol. You know...the kind that can be used to melt rock and make all those bricks in walls fit perfectly.

Sorry...just love the ancient alien astronaut theories.

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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All my life I believed to investigate and understand what is left by ancient cultures is the path to find all the answers to the problems in our society. A great opportunity not only to observe how they made things we believe impossible, also to see where they fail and learn of their mistakes.

So Slayer, having one more thread about this topic on ATS, is one more step in that direction.



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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I like the A.A. theory but somebody further down in the thread was knocking one of the main characters of A.A show is pretty insulting, it almost screams like a mainstream person doesn't want to even recognize an alternate theory. I think both sides of the fence have to work together.

But getting back to this great thread, I think of Japan's famous Yonaguni underwater megalithic stone structures.when I view El Furerte. It has that same "no entrance feel". You just don't see a building with rooms in them. Only outside moldings, almost like it was molded when lava was starting to cool., I don't think in that time period they had the tools to do that kind of work. I like your idea of a practice area for stone workers. But to work with such solid material, I just don't think the tools of the day could of been used.

I love Christoper Dunn's theory and think he is the closest to the truth of any I've ever heard. Because he believes that many of the megalithic structures around the world had high tech tools. Though he rides the fence when it comes to the people of that time period had to be advance or the A.A. theory.

In the video, when you go 00:22 it seems to look like a flyting saucer with a dome on it.

Thanks for the heads up on such a mysterious place.

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edit on 23-9-2012 by thetiler because: spelling and additional thought



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Um, that Tsoulako's (sp?) guy has become a meme. Were he not to look completely insane with a hairdo that would make Mozart jealous, perhaps he would be taken with more credibility.

But that picture is a meme. Go to memebase or reddit to find out more about it.



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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There's something about those grooves in the rock that remind me of the Baltic Sea rock thing.

Can't really put my finger on what makes me remind me of it, but it's there



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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I've posted in another thread that I thought this location somewhat resembled Yonaguni as well. But, one is submerged and this location sits atop of a small mountain. Also, this location is supposedly not old enough...

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posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Alright I have a couple of questions about the video: AT the beginning did anyone notice the UFO with sparks coming out of it in that broken rock? Also what the heck is that huge thing at the end? Is that a mountain someone quarried? Are those footprints or holes in that thing? It looks like hard sand someone ran across sideways?



posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by DocHolidaze
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it seem that those two parralell groves might collect rain water? it hard to tell with out actully being there and observing, if u could be there to see if water flows down those groves maybe that may be a away to get inside "the fortress"


I thought that too, but it would appear that the rain would just out the other end-the angle is way too step to hold water, and I am sure those bored holes would hold water fine.





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