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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I wasn't considering my faith in this, Christ actually said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's. Religion has nothing to do with it for one
But why do MOST Christians still choose to live beyond the basic needs - food, clothing, cheap apartment, cheap-used car, keeping few possessions, etc...
But instead, choose to spend most their earnings on themselves and friends! They really don't care about the poor!! 10% on tithes won't keep you away from Hell!!
If you believe Jesus and his disciples are saying all those horrible things against the worldly system for nothing, then you are worshiping a lunatic, don't you think?
Originally posted by autowrenchI don't subscribe to your theory that God allows this or that, plainly the real God would never get involved in the affairs of humans, to do so would quickly negate free will.
the cost of labor is determined by the laborer, not the employer.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ahnggk
I'm rather confused as to why you're so angry. And you're not really addressing my original point that the cost of labor is determined by the laborer, not the employer. And the only story from the Bible where Christ directly deals with something remotely in this context is in Matthew 20:1-16. Where He basically says the man who hires someone who agrees to work for a certain price doesn't do that person harm, they agreed to work for a specific amount of money, that the person had the opportunity to reject the job if it wasn't what he felt the job was worth. Here is Christ's response to the person who felt they were "underpaid":
" ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Didn’t you agree with me for a denarius? Take that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn’t it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?’"
edit on 26-9-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
the cost of labor is determined by the laborer, not the employer.
And when there are dozens of people willing to work for LESS, well....
yeah. The employer says: "here's what I'm offering. take it or leave it to the next guy in line."
That's the laborer determining the cost? No, that's the employer taking advantage of people who are so desperate they will "take it", because if they "leave it", they starve.
Puleez, bro.
Well, all those "next guys in line" are laborers. If no one accepts the terms, the employer must raise the wage. Still the price of labor is determined by the laborer.
Originally posted by wylekat Your reasoning and opinions make no sense to those of us who have worked jobs.... Or are you a freelancer, and have lost the concept?edit on 26-9-2012 by wylekat because: Made a point.
Originally posted by wildtimes
Heck, it's not even sun-up yet, and here I am probably not making sense. Sorry to derail the thread, ahnggk. Yeah, I agree with you, Capitalism is anathema to Christianity. Absolutely.
Originally posted by wildtimes
If only this were a world where everyone knew they could eat, and were free to explore their own unique talents and interests...
Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and your soul will delight in the richest of fare. (Isaiah 55:1-2 NIV)
for a true Christian will do everything opposite the traditional business model!
For his part, every "utopia" that man has attempted to create has been an unmitigated disaster.
The only exception would be slavery, the wage for slave labor is not determined by the laborer.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The only exception would be slavery, the wage for slave labor is not determined by the laborer.
PRECISELY!! The wage for slave labor (the 'lowest status' jobs for the lowest pay) is not determined by the laborer.
That's my point, NuT.