Happy October Surprise!!!!

Smartest 19 soldiers in the whole war

Dumbest 19 soldiers in the whole war! Why did they join up? To stay at base filing their nails while singing "I am Woman" or "We are the World?" These "soldiers" should be dishonourably discharged with the harshest of punishments!

OBL stool for everything Saddam was against, Islamic theocracy (a religious state), Saddam did not want his country run this way, which is why i found it hard to believe the 911/Iraq connection allegations in the first place, I think Saddam would know better. After all, even though he was a screwed up man, his country was the most stable in the region, he refused to mix fundimental Islam with government.

If this turns out to be true (saddams lawyer meeting OBL), i have a hunch that it was not for "evil" purposes, it could be for buisness (OBL's construction company) etc, we'll have to wait and see.

I found this to be more interesting than the Saddam/OBL connection.

October 12, 2004
IN AN INTERVIEW WITH IRANIAN MEDIA, PROFESSOR NOAM CHOMSKY SAID THAT THE U.S. MISSIONS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ ARE INTENDED TO ESTABLISH PERMANENT U.S. HEGEMONY IN THEIR REGIONS. (MEHR NEWS AGENCY, IRAN, 10/10/04)

BG

Originally posted by electric squid carpet
OBL stool for everything Saddam was against, Islamic theocracy (a religious state), Saddam did not want his country run this way

Sorry squid, but that is contrary to the facts. The only thing correct in that statement is that " Saddam did not want his country run this way"

The idea that OBL and Saddam wouldn't have worked together because of some imagined philosophical difference is just wrong. In fact, Saddam and OBL shared some of their largest goals, 1: The destruction of Israel, 2: The destruction of the US and the west, or at the very least, the removal of western influences from the Mid-East, 3: a Uniting of the Middle East under one Government.

Consider the figures given out by the PALF (Palestinian Arab Liberation Front) in an article here by BBC News, 13, March 2003. In the article, Saddam is credited by the PALF, with paying out over 35 MILLION US dollars worth of cheques to the families of suicide bombers, and those killed by Israel. He payed $25,000 to each of the families of HAMAS suicide bombers! Now tell me that Saddam wouldn't work with Islamic fundamentalists.

If this turns out to be true (saddams lawyer meeting OBL), i have a hunch that it was not for "evil" purposes, it could be for buisness (OBL's construction company) etc, we'll have to wait and see.

Again squid, this is wrong. Di Stefano was not working as Saddam's lawyer at the time. He was in Iraq working out a deal to negotiate a contract to represent Iraqi Airlines in Italy and Yugoslavia, when he alledgedly met OBL in the lobby of his hotel. Again, the reason this COULD be important, is that IF it is true, it supports the supposition, that OBL and Saddam, had indeed met in 1998. World intelligence reports ALREADY claimed that OBL was in Iraq in 1998, and that Saddam had offered him a base and asylum. This, IF TRUE, would be an independent report from a source, that is not necessarily friendly to US interests, that SUPPORTS at least part of those reports.

And lastly, by the late 1990's, Osama Bin Laden, was utterly committed to his militant path. In 1996 OBL had been indicted by the US on charges of training the people involved in the 1993 attack that killed 18 U.S. servicemen in Somalia. Then in February of 1998, just before he was alledgedly spotted in the Al-Rashid hotel in Baghdad, OBL and Al-Queda issued a statement, that "Muslims should kill Americans, civilians included, wherever they can find them." Given those facts, how likely is it that OBL would meet with Saddam to discuss legitimate business?

-Cypher

Originally posted by verfed
Dumbest 19 soldiers in the whole war! Why did they join up? To stay at base filing their nails while singing "I am Woman" or "We are the World?" These "soldiers" should be dishonorably discharged with the harshest of punishments!

I will wait till I know the facts, I know of some similar instances in the first Gulf War, but can not speak of them. There very well might be more to this story.

I wait for for information.....

[edit on 16-10-2004 by edsinger]

Did they refuse a direct order? Are they soldiers in the United States Army? Did they volunteer or are they conscripts?

Originally posted by verfed
Did they refuse a direct order? Are they soldiers in the United States Army? Did they volunteer or are they conscripts?

There might be more to this one as yet we do not know all the details, it could have very well been whatthey considered a unlawful order. At this point with what I have heard, they were wrong, but it must have been one asshole commander to ask them to go unescorted....

Just because the volunteered doesn't mean they should pretty much voluntarily commit suicide. I don't know much more than being in a dangerous area with unsafe equipment and contaminated fuel, but I am gonna wait until it is investigated before I hold it against them (or back them).

I think we should all wait for the details, but it is not a good thing when soldiers start not following orders, the chain of command breaks down real fast...

Your right ed and I will wait for more information too.

This isn't a surprise that idiot was trying to build up friends to keep him in power but guess what saddam got surprised didnt he he rots in prision while his buddies go on about everyday buisness with an added agenda
kill anyone in Iraq that could not have been there before saddams overthrow