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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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What you need to understand about Equalization, and why you are not paying for Quebec’s social programs.



Of course I was expecting even more hate coming from the English media of Canada towards Quebec now that the education tuition fees will remain frozen. But I believe it is my duty as a fellow Canadian to deny ignorance and explain to the ones obsessed with the idea that Quebec is living off of the rest of Canada (especially Alberta) that they are wrong.

Quebec chose to give its people the best social programs in Canada. Yet there is this misconception that the rest of Canada is paying for these social programs. That Quebec has the lowest tuition fees in North America because they are subsidized by the great and almighty Alberta.

It is false.


What you need to understand is that it is not the provinces that pay for equalization. It is the federal tax payers across Canada. All the federal tax payers are taxed the same. Why is more money coming from Alberta? Because there is higher income in Alberta. That money does not come from the province itself.

Why is Quebec able to give near free education to its people? Because it chose to do so. Quebec is the most highly taxed province in Canada. From the province that is. After equalization, each province as the ability to give its people comparable services at comparables rates. Quebec chooses to tax even more in order to give social programs of better quality.

You are not paying higher tuition fees because Quebec is leaching money from you. You are paying higher tuition fees because as a province, you made the choice to put education behind the fishing industry, farms, petrol and so on regarding where you are in Canada. You also made the choice to not tax your people as much as Quebec does.

You can deny what I am saying, but after equalization, all provinces have the possibility to give their people similar social services. As a society (speaking of a province here) it is your duty to make the change you want to see in your province and fight for what you wish is important.

For Quebec, Education is important. It is a right and not a privilege. And we gladly pay more taxes than any of you in order to keep that right available for everyone.

If Quebec paid the same amount for education as in Ontario or Alberta or B.C, you would still have to pay as a federal tax payer the same amount of money. It has nothing to do with what Quebec chooses to give to its people.

Now, the issue here is equalization, not what Quebec does with its money from equalization and the huge amount it collects from provincial taxes.

As an individual, regardless where you are in Canada, you are NOT paying more taxes to Ottawa than any other Quebecer.

Like i said in a previous thread. If you do not wish to pay for equalization, Leave the country, separate and go fly on your own.

Problem solved.
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God Bless Canada.
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by alphaskunk
What you need to understand about Equalization, and why you are not paying for Quebec’s social programs.

Of course I was expecting even more hate coming from the English media of Canada towards Quebec now that the education tuition fees will remain frozen. But I believe it is my duty as a fellow Canadian to deny ignorance....

So.... when is it you are going to start denying ignorance rather than reality? Just wondering?


Quebec chose to give its people the best social programs in Canada. Yet there is this misconception that the rest of Canada is paying for these social programs.....

Quebec is subsidized by the balance of Canada. Quebec receives 60% of the equalization payments for 23% of the population of Canada, those are called facts.


It is false.

This reminds me of pontification on high by the great and powerful wizard of oz...LOL.


What you need to understand is that it is not the provinces that pay for equalization. It is the federal tax payers across Canada.....

Taxes are a burden on society when governments are negligent and malfeseance, which occurs regularily in the governments socialist republik of canadakastan, which is a colony and corporate subsidiary of the city of london. Regardless of where the tax comes from in regards to the corporate entities of the provinces, it still comes from people residing in those provinces and hence equalization payments originate in the provinces.


Why is Quebec able to give near free education to its people? Because it chose to do so. Quebec is the most highly taxed province in Canada.....

Because it can afford to through higher equalization payments and worrying about the deficit on the back end, which the rest of canada will have to pay for as well.


You are not paying higher tuition fees because Quebec is leaching money from you.....

Actually, because the equalization payments are disproportionate, yes, quebec is able to accomodate lower tuition fees as well as increased amounts in other social programs. Since the equalization is disproportionate, call it leaching, call it extortion, call it whatever you want that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy ;-)


You can deny what I am saying, but after equalization, all provinces have the possibility to give their people similar social services...

Yeah, anyone with an ounce of common sense and a little logic can factually deny what you're saying.


For Quebec, Education is important. It is a right and not a privilege. And we gladly pay more taxes than any of you in order to keep that right available for everyone.

Education as opposed to indoctrination is important for everyone, not just people in quebec. It seems obvious to me that you've had a little too much indoctrination in your PC serial of choice. Try something a little higher in fiber, it will make crap go to right place and probably quicker.


If Quebec paid the same amount for education as in Ontario or Alberta or B.C, you would still have to pay as a federal tax payer the same amount of money. It has nothing to do with what Quebec chooses to give to its people.

If the equalization payments were based on per capita instead of on per bitching and moaning, then all tuition fees and social support structures could be equal, this is not reality however.


Now, the issue here is equalization, not what Quebec does with its money from equalization and the huge amount it collects from provincial taxes.
As an individual, regardless where you are in Canada, you are NOT paying more taxes to Ottawa than any other Quebecer.

Um, actually, as a collective in a province, yes, they do pay more taxes than quebec since less money is coming back through equalization which either forces reductions in the value of services or causes higher deficits.


Like i said in a previous thread. If you do not wish to pay for equalization, Leave the country, separate and go fly on your own.

Problem solved.

Reminds me a joke I once heard about a genii, 2 guys and 2 wishes. The quebec guy for his wish said, "Build a wall around quebec 10,000 feet high to keep the english out." Then the guy from ontario wished, "Now fill that with water!"

Problem solved ;-)

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Clearly you fail to understand what equalization is. Even if Quebec was getting 90% of it. After equalization, all provinces are on equal grounds to offer social programs (If you do not wish for every province to start from equal grounds, now that is another debate) from there Quebec chooses to give more adequate social programs.

As an individual you do not pay more in federal taxes than me or any other Quebecer.

Thank you for the reply tho, was wondering if anyone would answer back. Will give you a star for trying, even though you completely understand nothing of what i have tried to explain, or maybe just refuse to see it how it truly is.

If taxed like we are taxed in Quebec to afford these social programs, most Province would probably start to riot.
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by alphaskunk
Clearly you fail to understand what equalization is. Even if Quebec was getting 90% of it. After equalization, all provinces are on equal grounds to offer social programs. And from there Quebec chooses to give more adequate social programs.

As an individual you do not pay more in federal taxes than me or any other Quebecer.

Thank you for the reply tho, was wondering if anyone would answer back. Will give you a star for trying, even though you completely understand nothing of what i have tried to explain.


You just keep believing that if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. I am not going to bother doing a spreadsheet to explain how it all works. But I will explain one little thing really simply. If there are 10,000,000 people in Canada paying feberal tax at the same rate (the rate is the same you know for federal tax) and the tax is arbitrarily one dollar for this example, then the federal government collects $10,000,000. The people in quebec would have paid $2,300,000 of the total. Let's say half comes back in equalization to all the provinces or $5,000,000. Well, quebec would get 60% of that or $3,000,000. That would mean that quebec got back more than it paid, no surprise there since it's quebec LOL.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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One last thing here.... Quebec has been bitching and moaning like forever and every time they want to pressurize an issue to get disproportionate benefit, your scumbag politicians threaten our scumbag politicians with separation or something equally stupid. Regardless in legal terms, the threats are extortion and personally I would prefer not to deal with criminals on either end of the political spectrum, yours or ours.

So, quebec should just separate and be done with it, they should just put their money (or lack thereof) where their mouth is and go their merry way. Quebec has I think 50 miles roughly on either side of the St. Lawrence river/seaway, they can take that which is the original boundary. The province of quebec is only shown the way it is on the maps because of the Hudson and James Bay stewardship treaties which allow quebec to operate in those areas and collect taxes if they maintain infrastructure. It does not bestow ownership of anything other than that 100 wide mile strip (of very pretty land I might add).

Quebec can also pay back the overpayment of equalization funds, you know that little difference between 23% and 60% and carry their own defecit apart from the balance of canadakastan. Plus they can pay the federal government for all the infrastructure it provided.

I expect quebec would be bankrupt within 3 to 6 months at which point you can sell that little 100 mile wide strip of land called quebec to France and we know how France feels about quebec LOL. The US might be a better bet, then you can have the TSA and the rest of the US to bitch at, which won't work out very well.

Now for the reality, quebec can't leave canadakastan, it's all part of the big plan and quebec politicians know this, they play their part to keep the divide and conquer crap going. The federal government and the quebec government have to do this to keep consensus down, make it so that citizens of this colony don't get together and throw their asses out (or hang them for treason) and to allow the politicians to do what they want without the fear of collective and organized rebellion.

So, stop justifying the madness of equalization for quebec and know it for what it is, quite simply; a means to a political end to keep everybody fighting and/or pissed off so the PTB can do what they want without fear of reprisal.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Something that needs to be understood about Quebec and equalization payments. Quebec also pays income tax to the federal government... Yes, yes, we do pay income tax to the federal government every single year. After equalization and everything, Quebec gets back around 23 billion dollars from the federal governement. Yet Quebecers pay 50 billion in income tax. And that's without counting GST.

So we're far from getting our fair share. If Quebec were independent, according to independent American studies, it would be around the 17th strongest economy in the world. Why? Because Quebec would not be sending money to Canada, instead, it would all stay in the province. If Ontario, Alberta and BC understood this, they would split from Canada faster than Quebec ever will, because they would also have much stronger economies.

Face the facts, equalization is never explained right and is just another excuse for Quebec bashing.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by ajmusicmedia
Something that needs to be understood about Quebec and equalization payments. Quebec also pays income tax to the federal government... Yes, yes, we do pay income tax to the federal government every single year. After equalization and everything, Quebec gets back around 23 billion dollars from the federal governement. Yet Quebecers pay 50 billion in income tax. And that's without counting GST.

So we're far from getting our fair share. If Quebec were independent, according to independent American studies, it would be around the 17th strongest economy in the world. Why? Because Quebec would not be sending money to Canada, instead, it would all stay in the province. If Ontario, Alberta and BC understood this, they would split from Canada faster than Quebec ever will, because they would also have much stronger economies.

Face the facts, equalization is never explained right and is just another excuse for Quebec bashing.


Prove it. Show me the numbers.

Quebec has been coddled. She is the the stubborn toddler that refuses to get off the tit of the Canadian tax payer while decrying her situation. I am extremely pleased that students in Quebec can go to school for free. What I am not pleased about is that between paying off my own student loans (like the rest of us) I will be subsidizing their student debts via equalization payments.

You haven't provided a lick of evidence to support your claims. Quebec is the most heavily subsidized province in the country. I URGE THEM TO SEPARATE. Maybe I could have a chance at a free post secondary education after not having to pay for their's.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by ajmusicmedia
Something that needs to be understood about Quebec and equalization payments. Quebec also pays income tax to the federal government... Yes, yes, we do pay income tax to the federal government every single year. After equalization and everything, Quebec gets back around 23 billion dollars from the federal governement. Yet Quebecers pay 50 billion in income tax. And that's without counting GST.

So we're far from getting our fair share. If Quebec were independent, according to independent American studies, it would be around the 17th strongest economy in the world. Why? Because Quebec would not be sending money to Canada, instead, it would all stay in the province. If Ontario, Alberta and BC understood this, they would split from Canada faster than Quebec ever will, because they would also have much stronger economies.

Face the facts, equalization is never explained right and is just another excuse for Quebec bashing.


Prove it. Show me the numbers.

Quebec has been coddled. She is the the stubborn toddler that refuses to get off the tit of the Canadian tax payer while decrying her situation. I am extremely pleased that students in Quebec can go to school for free. What I am not pleased about is that between paying off my own student loans (like the rest of us) I will be subsidizing their student debts via equalization payments.

You haven't provided a lick of evidence to support your claims. Quebec is the most heavily subsidized province in the country. I URGE THEM TO SEPARATE. Maybe I could have a chance at a free post secondary education after not having to pay for their's.



If you do not have a chance at free post secondary education it is not because you are paying for ours. We pay as much as you in federal taxes and way more than you in provincial taxes. We have nearly free education because we as a society want it that way, and we fight for it every time they try to pass a tuition hike.

Have you even read the OP???
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