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American Laws for American Courts (ALAC) was crafted to protect American citizens’ constitutional rights against the infiltration and incursion of foreign laws and foreign legal doctrines, especially Islamic Shariah Law.
Unfortunately, increasingly, foreign laws and legal doctrines, including Shariah law principles, are finding their way into US court cases.
Reviews of state laws provide extensive evidence that foreign laws and legal doctrines are introduced into US state court cases, including, notably, Islamic law known as Shariah, which is used in family courts and other courts in dozens of foreign Muslim-majority nations .
These foreign laws, frequently at odds with U.S. constitutional principles of equal protection and due process
blog.americanfreedomlawcenter.org...
A Kansas district court is the first to recognize the possible application of the American Laws for American Courts (ALAC) law in a case where a party sought to enforce a sharia-law based contract. ALAC was adopted in Kansas earlier this year and it is based upon the model legislation drafted by AFLC Co-Founder and Senior Counsel David Yerushalmi.
First, the court noted that the woman’s lawyer had failed to provide a properly authenticated translation of the Farsi-language document so there was no way he could actually ascertain the meaning or the legality of the document.
Second, the court noted that even if he accepts the basic points of the mahr as agreed to between the parties, the court as an institution of government, could not possibly allow its enforcement. The court explained that one possible reason for this agreement’s invalidity, and this is key for our purposes, is that Kansas lawmakers passed a law–the Kansas version of ALAC–which would “preclude the courts from applying foreign law, legal codes or systems that violate the public policy of our state or federal constitutions.” Kan. Sess. Laws, Chap. 136, p. 1089-90 (2012). And, as the court noted, the law of the land under which the mahr was created–sharia–is so inimical to our basic constitutional principles (bedrock principles of liberty such as Due Process and Equal Protection) that to attempt to apply those laws to rule on the mahr’s validity might very likely violate Kansas’ ALAC.
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Under Shariah law a husband can legally stone his wife to death. Do you want to see that happening in America?
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Under Shariah law a husband can legally stone his wife to death. Do you want to see that happening in America?
Show me one case where that has happened in America or admit that you are blowing this out of proportion.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I'm not blowing anything out of proportion. Obviously the legislators who crafted the ALAC have studied the issues enough to feel this was warranted. The fact is the above Is acceptable under Shariah law and if Shariah Law is allowed to be used in America, it is only a matter of time before someone is stoned to death. Your attempt to railroad the issue isn't going to work.
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
For your consideration, here are Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies
More detailed information on each one plus the references these are from at the link
1. The mosque and state are not separate.
2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.
3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions – a holy war.
4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for other prisoners, or released freely.
5. A woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now owners).
6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.
7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils.
8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.
9. Slavery is allowed.
10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.
11. Slaves may be beaten.
12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves Islam (an apostate).
13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam or Muhammad.
14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged.
15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge – physical eye for physical eye.
16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.
17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.
18. Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.
19. Fornicators may be flogged.
20. Adulterers may be stoned to death.
21. False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.
22. A woman inherits half what a man does.
23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she might “forget.”
24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”
25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex with him, and then this second man divorces her.
26. Husbands may hit their wives.
27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives.
29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.
30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law.
www.jihadwatch.org...
Now I ask again, does anyone really want these things taking place in America?
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Indeed there is......
This is America, we use American courts and laws set down by our country......
Anyone wants sharia laws and sharia courts, then they can go to the countries where they were started and are used........
Separation of church and state, under sharia they are one and the same.....anyone who is a proponent of this should be against Sharia system in any court....
Dont like our system? Dont move here........edit on 21-9-2012 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Indeed there is......
This is America, we use American courts and laws set down by our country......
Anyone wants sharia laws and sharia courts, then they can go to the countries where they were started and are used........
Separation of church and state, under sharia they are one and the same.....anyone who is a proponent of this should be against Sharia system in any court....
Dont like our system? Dont move here........edit on 21-9-2012 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
You like most americans have no idea what is meant by these laws being used in the USA, please read about it before you continue to go on in this fashion.
show me one case of this stuff happening here. You like all the other islamophobes have no idea what is meant by foreign laws being upheld in the united states, you are completely ignorant on the subject.
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Actually I do, you have no idea what my experiences are or what what I do..........among them spending quality time in many countries where Sharia Law is implemented on a regular basis......
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Actually I do, you have no idea what my experiences are or what what I do..........among them spending quality time in many countries where Sharia Law is implemented on a regular basis......
I don't need to know anything about you to know that you know little about Sharia Law being implemented in the states. Your replies have clearly shown that you have no real knowledge on the subject. I could care less how they are implemented in another country because we are not talking about them being in another country we are talking about the US.
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
For your consideration, here are Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies
More detailed information on each one plus the references these are from at the link
1. The mosque and state are not separate.
2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.
3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions – a holy war.
4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for other prisoners, or released freely.
5. A woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now owners).
6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.
7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils.
8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.
9. Slavery is allowed.
10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.
11. Slaves may be beaten.
12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves Islam (an apostate).
13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam or Muhammad.
14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged.
15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge – physical eye for physical eye.
16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.
17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.
18. Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.
19. Fornicators may be flogged.
20. Adulterers may be stoned to death.
21. False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.
22. A woman inherits half what a man does.
23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she might “forget.”
24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”
25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex with him, and then this second man divorces her.
26. Husbands may hit their wives.
27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives.
29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.
30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law.
www.jihadwatch.org...
Now I ask again, does anyone really want these things taking place in America?
show me one case of this stuff happening here. You like all the other islamophobes have no idea what is meant by foreign laws being upheld in the united states, you are completely ignorant on the subject.
If they want to use Sharia Law, let them stay, or return to a country who uses it in their system of law......
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
For your consideration ATS, here are Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies
More detailed information on each one plus the references these are from at the link
1. The mosque and state are not separate.
2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.
3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions – a holy war.
4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for other prisoners, or released freely.
5. A woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now owners).
6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.
7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils.
8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.
9. Slavery is allowed.
10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.
11. Slaves may be beaten.
12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves Islam (an apostate).
13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam or Muhammad.
14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged.
15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge – physical eye for physical eye.
16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.
17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.
18. Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.
19. Fornicators may be flogged.
20. Adulterers may be stoned to death.
21. False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.
22. A woman inherits half what a man does.
23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she might “forget.”
24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”
25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex with him, and then this second man divorces her.
26. Husbands may hit their wives.
27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives.
29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.
30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law.
www.jihadwatch.org...
Now I ask again, does anyone really want these things taking place in America?
edit on 21-9-2012 by JohnPhoenix because: sp
6. Lands must be conquered. Lands that Islam has lost must be reconquered, like Spain and Israel, for example. The Islamic empire must continually expand. Contraction is bad, expansion is good. So if a land was once Islamic and now it is not, that is contraction, and must be remedied.
According to this meme, the earth is Allah's. If there are parts of the earth not following Islamic law, it is the duty of the faithful to gain control of that land and establish Shari'a. It is a sin to let it be.t
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
show me one case of this stuff happening here.
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Dnepropetrovsk
There is nothing wrong with using Shariah law in american courts. When it is used both parties agree to use it, it is not like they are being forced to "surrender to Shariah law"
Under Shariah law a husband can legally stone his wife to death. Do you want to see that happening in America?
Show me one case where that has happened in America or admit that you are blowing this out of proportion.
The Egyptian-born cab driver suspected in the 2008 "honor killing" of his two daughters in Texas because they were dating non-Muslim boys