Religious tolerance trumps freedom of speech. The death of the 1st Amendment., page 6


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reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 12:59 AM by Golf66
Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by beezzer

you reckon the video was just a opinion ? are you naive ?


Actually from what I watched it was spot on - it portrayed Mohamed as a pedophile, womanizer who started his career as a raider and thief. It could be argued he "received" and then used "divine" guidance to justify his actions so his followers wouldn't begin to question his authority and lose his position as leader.

One of the funniest parts of the film is when he says he wants some other dudes wife and one of this followers challenges it and he replies with whatever the Prophet wants he gets - the rules are for the little people. Pretty close to what the Koran says on the subject.

So no its not opinion it’s a spoof that makes the prophet appear to be a pedophile, who uses his "secret" talks with Allah to change the Torah and Old Testament into something more to his liking - thus justifying his actions.

It goes heavy on the "join us or die" meme which is true and says that the Muslims can rape all the infidel captives (male and female - adult and child) they want and sell them into slavery take all their stuff and Allah is cool with that.

The Muslims don't like it because it points out Mohamed was also a fag when it suited him as are good number of Muslim men.

Sometimes the truth hurts the most.

Before we head off on the Christians are just as hypocritical meme – I agree I could make a funny spoof of their religion pointing out similar weird crap.

I am an equal opportunity organized religion hater.

Spirituality is fine, believe what you want but if you need a prophet or a priest or a bureaucratic organization to tell you what to think and how to interpret your scripture you are indeed a sheep in need of a Sheppard. I will form my own opinions on what I read. I am a wolf and an Alpha at that.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 04:14 AM by newcovenant
reply to post by beezzer


Halleluiah. I don't think it is dead. Freedom of speech was intended to allow people a voice to defend themselves and never be shut down but it was not intended as an outlet or vehicle to inspire hatred or start a war. You are not allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater. No one gave you rights protecting that kind of speech.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 04:28 AM by beezzer
reply to post by buster2010


As a conservative, just about everything I say could be construed as "hate speech".

It's all subjective. To differentiate, is to inhibit.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 04:30 AM by buster2010
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

the freedom of speech ends, if you insult or discriminate. this freedom of speech is limited like all other freedoms are.

Yet ManBehindTheMask might feel insulted by your reply.

So no. Freedom of speech does not end. Insults, discriminations are interpretive. If we start banning speech based on that, we'll become a silent nation.


Tell that to people who have been sued for slander and liable.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 04:32 AM by buster2010
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by buster2010


As a conservative, just about everything I say could be construed as "hate speech".

It's all subjective. To differentiate, is to inhibit.


Go learn the difference. Because right now your just showing your ignorance.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 05:03 AM by beezzer
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by buster2010


As a conservative, just about everything I say could be construed as "hate speech".

It's all subjective. To differentiate, is to inhibit.


Go learn the difference. Because right now your just showing your ignorance.


And you're showing your arrogance by limiting speech you don't approve of.


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 07:59 AM by MamaJ
Just my opinion...

It was a youtube video made by some random dude.

How many insulting videos are there on YouTube? MANY! Depending on tolerance for ignorance there are indeed many no matter how you look at it.

Yesterday when I was standing in line to get gas there was an African American in front of me in line with a T-shirt on that spoke highly of "The blacker the college, the more Knowledge" and named all the black universities in the US. I thought to myself, what If I was wearing one that spoke of white Universities? Would that also be ok to walk around in or would someone be offended? And then I asked myself would I ever wear such a shirt that promotes loudly a certain division?

Whether religious or not, there are always going to be people who seek to divide with their words and actions than to unite.

A religious doctrine is only one factor that creates hate and division. For many, its personal and I get that, however the video in question is one opinion and doesn't represent the all of the US. Anyone with a little intellect would know this.

I think it goes much deeper than this video though and could find evidence to support such a claim.

The Christian believes the end times prophecy is upon us and so does the Muslim. It seems they are both ready for a holy war in hopes their messiah or prophet comes back to earth to "save" them.

Neither are truly guided by unity, this is evident.

The President of the Countries where the riots are happening because of a stupid video should have set their people straight. I have no idea why we are trying to console them. They have a leader.

I just think its all stupid. Put ya big girl or boy panties on and get over it already!


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 12:48 PM by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by beezzer




To have another country dictate to us our own freedoms is appaling!


How about when we decide freedom for other countries? Is that OK?

How many have we occupied now?

Should our invasions not bother the invaded?


reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 02:10 PM by Spiramirabilis
Religious tolerance? Trumps freedom of speech?

Freedom of Speech: but, for good - or ill?

It is hate speech. It is no different from the anti-Semitic garbage that has been all too common in Western Christian history. It is sub-Christian - beneath the dignity of anyone with a functioning moral compass.

Islamophobic evangelical Christians - and the neo-conservative Catholics and even some Jewish folks who are their unlikely political bedfellows of late - must choose.

Will they press on in their current path, letting Islamophobia spread even further amongst them? Or will they stop, rethink and seek to a more charitable approach to our Muslim neighbors? Will they realize that evangelical religious identity is under assault, not by Shariah law, not by the liberal media, not by secular humanism from the outside, but by forces within the evangelical community that infect that religious identity with hostility?
religion.blogs.cnn.com...

We all have different opinions - about the good and ill parts of it all. But that doesn't really matter - they're opinions. We're all free to have them - all free to express them

Thank goodness

But not everyone does it honorably - or well. That of course is my opinion :-)

This guy...this here is my guy :-)

Pacifists of the world - unite

P.S. though I doubt most will be able to stomach it - it's worth reading the entire piece

Of course - that may just be my opinion

edit on 9/22/2012 by Spiramirabilis because: link



reply posted on 22-9-2012 @ 02:28 PM by CodyOutlaw
Originally posted by beezzer
Linky

The above link (yeah, it's Breitbart, get over it) shows a 30 second commercial currently being shown in Pakistan.

It is Hillary Clinton and Obama decrying the violence and damning the video.

Now there is nothing illegal with what they are doing. But our political "leaders" (in my humble opinion) should be defending the Constitution, The Bill of Rights. Not whining about someones usage of the freedoms that America provides.

It sends a poor message to the world when our political representatives complain about the freedoms that they represent.

It gives me concern abou the future of our freedoms.

Again, just my opinion.

I imagine you (ATS) have your own.



Weren't you the one claiming it comes with responsibility in the Springer thread?
Aren't you contradicting yourself?
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