China's New Stealth Fighter

China's air force has debuted another stealth fighter. Some have called it an "F-35 size F-22." While no one knows its performance date and it has not even done a test flight, the jet has the internet buzzing. Can it be ready for carrier operations? Could it be better than America's F-35? Will it be sold on the export market? No one really knows for sure. One thing is for certain, America is not the only one with advanced fighter aircraft anymore.

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As far as I am concerned this fighter most likely is not up to par with the US. China has just now started to branch out into this tech field, we have been using stealth for the better part of 30 years and have a lot of the kinks worked out that they most likely dont. However america these days is ran of the military industrial complex and we have aircraft that can go hypersonic in excess of Mach 10... The US is light years ahead of the majority of countries in the world. The f-35 was failure because it was hard to control fully loaded, and then lacked the range, or you could lose the ordiance and get the range you wanted but not both... thats why the platform failed and boeing is selling to other countries because the military isnt interested. We're going to drones and unmanned aircraft. Stealth tech while important is a old facet that we have already incorporated into our designs and we are currently developing more as we speak.... TR3B anyone?

Looks sexy.

America wasn't the only one with an advanced fighter jet anyway.

Originally posted by perpetrator76
As far as I am concerned this fighter most likely is not up to par with the US.

Why would you make assumptions when you have no information? It could very well be better, in fact I suspect it is.

reply to post by travis911


The United States came up with the Stealth Fighter over 3 decades ago, so start to think of the technologies our Govt. has now that we've never heard of

In recent conflicts (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) we havent had to use the "ace" up our sleeves, we were able to defeat our enemies with standard military hardware.. But if we go to war with China, Russia or Iran in the future, you better bet your sweet ass that the US has some weapons that the world has never even heard of, or at least never thought was possible...

US started flying Stealth technology back in 1977 (that we know of)... China is just showing up to the party now... Just imagine the crazy # our US Govt. is working on now, especially with the CRAZY HUGE defense budgets they receive on a yearly basis....

All I can say is good luck to any country that wants to mess with the US moving forward....

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by perpetrator76
As far as I am concerned this fighter most likely is not up to par with the US.

Why would you make assumptions when you have no information? It could very well be better, in fact I suspect it is.

edit on 21-9-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

Because China is just developing the technology now... The US has had over 3 decades to tweak, modify and develop a much stronger weapon...

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The USA only has about a 30 year head start... I'm sure our pilots are better trained on this type of craft as well. I'm also sure China stole most the technology anyways.

Here is another thread about it here, if you want to find out more.

More like a 45 year head start. The A12/SR-71 were much stealthier then most people realize. From the canted in in tail fins, the iron balls in the paint that coat it, to the "chines" down the side of the fuselage, the BlackBird was very difficult to detect on radar.

The B-1 Bomber has the radar cross section of about a large brid.....

The US military doesn't release anything to the public till the replacement is on line.

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We would have had an even earlier head start if they had recognized the value of the YB 49 Flying Wing. It was evident that they accidentally created a stealth design with it when the radar operators weren't able to locate it during test flights. They did not take advantage of this idea at the time.

The US military is still struggling to get the raptor fully operational and has run massively over budget, and as far as I'm aware are going to or have stopped production
The f-35 again has hit its own hurdles, with the VSTOL version being all but cancelled after they've admitted they can't get it to work properly
But then the Chinese j20 ( think that's it's designation( their first gen 5 ) will be in operational service from as early as next year

The Chinese have a few distinct advantages
They make the components for US weapons, thus gain the tech
They have evolved their tech down a different line of development with a different 'battle plan'
And probably more importantly
As much as we are lied to and kept in the dark by our govs we do have a greater freedom of speech and access to information only dreamed of by the Chinese populous.
We hear about star wars projects, airborne lasers, DARPA projects ect ect, but the Chinese ? Nope they keep their toys/tech/developments much more secret and close to their chest
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CHINESE HAVE ! or how long they have had it !

In America you can sit at the end of a runway and wait for these aircraft to take off and report it, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN CHINA !

It is incredibly arrogant to think that what the US has china doesn't also have or are far from having
Not only that but due to their different approach to warfare, different 'battle plan', and different avenue of development that they may have weapon systems that the US doesn't have !

U,S,A.....U,S,A.......U,S,A

Wakey wakey !

All i hear is empty US/BS.......The Chinese have very likely had sufficient access to all of the US govt data on stealth, and by the look of it, Stealth itself is not the end all of battle....
The next generation of planes will be "SWARM" compatible with auxiliary drone multiples......
The possibilities that drones bring to the table, as force multiplyers in terms of air power, are not yet scratched........
Imagine and aircraft carrier battle group..........you have ships, subs,and aircraft, screening the carrier......
The same principal applies to drones accompanying an aircraft in flight.......
With the technology expanding for independant flight parameters, and the economy of producing less pilots, or applying more aircraft per pilot......this is comming down the pike!
DARPA is already working on related robotics projects.......
The drones are here....all we need is the computing power and the trained SWARM pilots............

reply to post by butcherguy


The early flying wing designs were incredibly unstable in flight - especially at low speeds, so much so that they were dangerous and unfeasible.

That was untill the digital revolution where the SOFTWARE was developed to enable the use of the flying wing (B2)

This is where other nations struggled - that flight stabilisation software - and then whoops - a flying wing drone gets spoofed in Iran .........now they have that software .........that was the biggest loss associated with that incident

Soz double

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Did anyone think about the possibilliy that China has become part of the NWO...? They are into stars too you should know.





Peace

Originally posted by Neocrusader
The US military is still struggling to get the raptor fully operational and has run massively over budget, and as far as I'm aware are going to or have stopped production

The F-22 program is moving along exactly how it's supposed to be. They have had problems with the OBOGS, but an automatic backup generator is being installed, and there are indications that the problem has a fix. The weapons program is right on track, with the 3.1 upgrade being installed, and undergoing testing with a couple of units now. The Increment 3.1 improvement allows multiple targeting for the SDB, as well as electronic warfare upgrades to the radar systems.

The production was stopped because all the aircraft that were ordered were delivered. The last aircraft was delivered to Alaska a few months ago.

The f-35 again has hit its own hurdles, with the VSTOL version being all but cancelled after they've admitted they can't get it to work properly
But then the Chinese j20 ( think that's it's designation( their first gen 5 ) will be in operational service from as early as next year

The F-35 STOVL variant is actually moving along very nicely and isn't in any danger of being cancelled. They've made multiple vertical landings and take offs and have flown it off the USS Wasp in ship board trials. They had no problems with the ship, except that the heat caused problems with the nonskid on the deck. In fact pilots said that it's so much easier to land vertically than the AV-8B, that they were able to put the nose gear within a foot of the aim point.

The J-20 has no chance of being operational next year. It made the first flight last year, and there are only a handful of them. I don't care who you are, but NO ONE can take a fifth generation fighter and make it operational in two years. The estimates are that it will be at least 2018 before it's operational.

The Chinese have a few distinct advantages
They make the components for US weapons, thus gain the tech

It doesn't matter if you make the components. Components aren't going to give you anything but how to build that component. If you build landing gear for an F-22, all you know how to do is build the landing gear. The major components are built here in the US, and all the top secret components are handled here.

The Chinese got access to the F-22/F-35 programs through hacking. At least 8 subcontractors in both programs here in the US were hacked, and it was traced back to China.

It is incredibly arrogant to think that what the US has china doesn't also have or are far from having
Not only that but due to their different approach to warfare, different 'battle plan', and different avenue of development that they may have weapon systems that the US doesn't have !

The US has a huge head start over everyone in the stealth field. You can't just suddenly build a fighter and expect it to be stealth on the order of, or better than someone that has been building it for 50 years has built. The US developed the F-117 in the early 1970s, but had been designing it since the 1960s.

U,S,A.....U,S,A.......U,S,A

Wakey wakey !

You also can't say that another country has better than, or equal equipment to another country just because they haven't said that they have it, or it hasn't been seen. Yes, China has a different philosophy towards warfare than the US, just like the Soviet Union had during the Cold War, and still does today. "Quantity is a quality all its own" is a very true statement, but quality is a force leveler of its own as well.

reply to post by Neocrusader

The early flying wing designs were incredibly unstable in flight - especially at low speeds, so much so that they were dangerous and unfeasible. That was untill the digital revolution where the SOFTWARE was developed to enable the use of the flying wing (B2)

Entirely correct.

I wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean that they needed to pursue flying wing design.They needed to take the idea of stealth tech and incorporate it into contemporary aircraft designs. They did that with the A12/SR71 in the early 1960's, it's just that they could have had a earlier start (ten years), had they recognized the value of the idea in 1949.

Originally posted by Neocrusader
reply to post by butcherguy

 

The early flying wing designs were incredibly unstable in flight - especially at low speeds, so much so that they were dangerous and unfeasible.

That was untill the digital revolution where the SOFTWARE was developed to enable the use of the flying wing (B2)

This is where other nations struggled - that flight stabilisation software - and then whoops - a flying wing drone gets spoofed in Iran .........now they have that software .........that was the biggest loss associated with that incident

The YB-49 was actually very stable, and would have worked nicely. The problem with it was that it didn't meet the specifications the Air Force wanted. It wasn't fast enough (the engines at the time were seriously underpowered), and it didn't carry a heavy enough payload.

The aircraft set a speed record going from California to Washington, and crashed on the way back. There are indications that there may have been something fishy involved in the crash, but nothing has ever been proven.

As for the RQ-170, there is no indication that the code was intact, or that anything but the airframe and sensors were intact at the time it crashed. In fact that's another very suspicious crash. There are a lot of things about the airframe that don't make sense (hatches where there shouldn't be, even the color of the airframe is wrong). Several people that do a lot of work with the industry are of the opinion that it may have been a Trojan Horse and was allowed to be captured.

Originally posted by perpetrator76
As far as I am concerned this fighter most likely is not up to par with the US. China has just now started to branch out into this tech field, we have been using stealth for the better part of 30 years and have a lot of the kinks worked out that they most likely dont. However america these days is ran of the military industrial complex and we have aircraft that can go hypersonic in excess of Mach 10... The US is light years ahead of the majority of countries in the world. The f-35 was failure because it was hard to control fully loaded, and then lacked the range, or you could lose the ordiance and get the range you wanted but not both... thats why the platform failed and boeing is selling to other countries because the military isnt interested. We're going to drones and unmanned aircraft. Stealth tech while important is a old facet that we have already incorporated into our designs and we are currently developing more as we speak.... TR3B anyone?

i live about 15 miles from here, i see f-35s everyday. well maybe not everyday.Eglin's F-35 fleet continues to grow
i don't think the air force has lost interest.or the marine corps.

here's a slide show of the aircraft.
F-35 Marine B variant arrival

and lockheed martin makes the f-35 not boeing.