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Originally posted by Gridrebel
In case many of you don't remember, Bush inherited a recession from Clinton. He didn't go around whining about it.
reply to post by Druscilla
Anyone an everyone is fine to drink what ever revisionist biased history koolaide concoction they want to, but, in the public forum where fact checks happen, George W Bush was a moronic baboon puppet that destroyed this country, leaving the white house, the economy, the government, and this whole country in a state of collapse.
Obama came into office while the train wreck was already well well well underway, beyond stopping it. The only thing the man can do, even if he gets 8 years, is try to mitigate at least some of the smoking crater disaster Bush left this Nation with.
It's like your boss yelling at you, and blaming you for something you're trying to clean up and resolve that was caused by someone else on the previous shift.
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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by DarthMuerte
It's not about what the POTUS thinks.
It's the obligation and mandate of the Secret Service to investigate all implied threats to the POTUS regardless of how ridiculous.
This applies to all presidents.
Consider all the people you never heard about getting investigated by the Secret Service during the W. Bush years who was by no means a 'popular' president by even the longest stretch:
Consider all the investigations you never heard about regarding threats against W. Bush, since, said people no longer exist and never existed to exist in the first place.
Everyone crying about Obama should take a good long look back at the Bush years.
Most of what Obama is dealing with is the gigantic Olympus Mons sized steaming dung heap pile of a train wrecked government left behind by Bush.
edit on 21-9-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blissified
how is that even possible when obama has supported EVERY bush policy? Not what obama says hes going to do but look what he actually did / is doing. Everything a bush 2.0 would do. I cant believe theirs stil people like this on ats that blame all americas problems on a sinlge president. Ill give you a hint, it wasnt just bush that frigged up your country. Its been happening for over 30 years.
Originally posted by Blissified
how is that even possible when obama has supported EVERY bush policy?
Originally posted by Druscilla
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
No matter how much you hate the man or his views, it is free speech.
You should familiarize yourself with what "Freedom of Speech" means, Legally Speaking as defined by The First Amendment
Benjamin Gitlow was convicted of criminal anarchy after he was found advocating the "necessity and propriety of overthrowing and overturning organized government by force, violence and unlawful means" in the Left Wing Manifesto, as well as publishing and circulating a radical newspaper called The Revolutionary Age advocating similar ideas. In arguing before the Supreme Court, Gitlow contended that "the statute as construed and applied by the trial court penalize[d] the mere utterance, as such, of 'doctrine' having no quality of incitement, without regard to the circumstances of its utterance or to the likelihood of the unlawful sequences."
In 1940, Congress enacted the Smith Act, making it illegal to advocate "the propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force and violence
I was going to add more, but, you have the link. Educate yourself. There's a ton of things exempt from coverage by the First Amendment.
Further, those not covered under the First Amendment can be termed criminal acts with penalties including imprisonment.
Learn about your First Amendment Rights before you start making assumptions about things you think you understand, but don't.
edit on 21-9-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Masterjaden
ehhhh@@@ wrong.
No mere act can nullify a constitutional right.
That you or anyone think it does is ridiculous. It would take a constitutional amendment to do so. The act itself, if it limits free speech is unconstitutional and should be struck down as such. No law that is unconstitutional is valid. Read any of the documents of our founding fathers, the first amendment was designed to ALLOW people to specifically speak to start government over, by force if necessary (reason for the second amendment) if the government was deemed to be destructive to the ends of liberty, life and the ability to PURSUE happiness.
Jadenedit on 22-9-2012 by Masterjaden because: (no reason given)edit on 22-9-2012 by Masterjaden because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by Druscilla
It's a chair. If bammy identifies with the chair that much, does that mean Eastwood was totally right about him?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What a stupid, bitter, lying, racist idiot! It's CLEARLY racist. That's always their first statement... "I'm not racist, but..." (Racists don't usually know they're racist.) I'm not saying this old fart is a serious threat to the POTUS. I don't think he is, but in essence, he's saying he thinks the president should be lynched. Is that covered by free speech? I don't think so. If he said it in a speech, I'm not sure it would be covered. At the very least, a visit from the Secret Service is warranted, if for no other reason, to let him know the seriousness of his actions.
Under current law, I believe this would be considered hate speech. But we're allowed to hate. And unfortunately, too many people thrive on it these days. Hatred is seething in this country. It's really sad to see.