beautiful thread and so much to consider. love the math. math is a language of interpretation, like all language. it is limited by its users abilities to understand both it's wonderful traits but also its limits. much like the concept of time, they don't really exist other than for us to use as mind tools.

i've written a ton on mind/body creation machine (vs. the belief machine we're taught), so i won't babble here.

individual human life can be described as an observer/experiencer. this observer/experiencer (OE), is 0=1 and represents creation. 1 from 0. the parents provide a basic instruction set, operating system & bio-creation machine with certain starting traits. otherwise it might as well come out as jelly or a pine cone. this 1 from 0 explains the creation process we participate in every day. we start with thought. starting point is zero. thought is the one. a manifestation out of the ether. either from an observance, an experience, a pondering, a trial or joy, these things shape our thoughts. belief plays an even greater role unfortunately and is the reason humanity is a stagnant pool. as future generations are taught how to use their creation machines, society will gravitate to a more holistic & peaceful way. as long as ego drives the ship, WYSIWYG. the thing is there is no going back. once an individual discovers the mirror and learns to subdue ego and allow the observer to consciously run things, it is knowledge that can't be unlearned. it's too profound. it's life changing.

life is the OE, arrives here but is not taught how to use the machine correctly. say only the reverse gear. but the seeker can discover the mirrors of life and learn to quiet the mind. the OE can understand the hijack that has been taken place and the denial of service attack that has been going on in their computer minds 24/7 since birth. this awareness allows for a deletion of old programming and consciously written & uploaded newer, better programs. the OE discovers there are more gears on the machine and starts to try going around in a forward gear. all the others in reverse start yelling, "hey--you can't do that. we have laws." yet there you go trying to teach these pigs to sing. only when they decide to allow for the open mind of the creation process to start to work will they be able to get their heads around those who defy physics.

the OE can of course live a completely satisfied life given nearly any condition. the alternative is always there (suicide), but most choose life, even of misery, rather than face the spooky death we're taught to fear. death is merely the end point of the OE's experience in that machine. the machine at this time is destined to fail. i hypothesize that a creation machine that is taught to use the belief/intent mechanism properly can literally do what we consider impossible. belief is the great trojan horse introduced to the machine that has retarded its ability to understand and learn. rather we medicate, jail & kill the heretics, blasphemers & out-liers. but they are the real heroes often. and then we elect & worship the morons. we believe in this theater so we wire thoughts & emotions and the creation machine body says, "right on, we've got our instructions. line up the universe to carry it all out!! wooohooo!" and you're off on your life-long drama whip saw ride. the machine is designed to follow your instructions. glass half empty? guess what, so's your fleshed out life. stressed out about future worries or past regret? money issues that turn your hair grey? your machine is manifesting it all out in real time solely for your pleasure and enjoyment.

yes, i agree with the math. it allows for us to be able to open our minds to answer the question, "What is your own flat earth theory, that if given proof to the contrary, you would still hold as a belief?" mind fook that one right there. obliterates the mind to allow for 0=1. the mystery. the great question mark (which should be the symbol for "god" or creator or any other unknown).

we might even learn to worship the unknown--haha.

awesome thread op. some great insights there.

I just got done watching idiocracy (which I couldn't help but doing after seeing 'some' of the interactions to my thread), so I completely understand where you're coming from. Mind you I may have chosen different words, but you certainly explained yourself. It takes alot for people not to just learn, but to comprehend. Which is really what I think I'm trying to get people to do. Something can exist, yet it's not made into what it really is, until we see it for more than itself. I know that sounds confusing, and a little redundant, but the truth is, if we don't explore these concepts, if we don't strive to be something more, human's will slide down a slope that can't be undone. I feel like I got placed in a very good generation, but I know too that it will expire. Let old dynasties die, and educate the new ones before you become complacent.

I'm 50/50 on the experience of knowledge. It is a tool that helps but it also constrains us. The task we undertake as being sentient creatures is really a daunting task that leaves us looking to the sky asking for help, It twists my gut that I am unable to solve this, or even get remotely close, but I also know that if I never find the answer, I can still be happy. Love is about the only thing I have left at the moment. Possessions no longer interest me, I just want to have the roof over my head and food in my belly, and would like to support those ideas with out stressful interactions. Alas it is not practical to starve myself on the street with no one to care what words I utter. I go back to Mahatma Ghandi and say, "You must be the change you wish to see[]". And that's what I'm doing. I'm not asking for anything, just that I one day might help everyone, not just myself, take one small step forward. Ah.... ego.

Thanks for reading and replying so coherently.

Proof 0 = 1

Tell me what this is ... 0
You could tell me nought, nothing, zero, null, O etc. But all of those are really.... One nought, one zero, one null, one 0.... i.e all of those are one.

1+1 = 1 = 0

How?

1 man + 1 woman = 1 couple and since we proved that 1=0 you could rephrase that as
0 men +0 women = 0 couples = 1 (what is the 1? well 0 of course)

If there was no woman and no other beings, no other things and no other thoughts then what would a man be?





:much love nice topic (I'm not very mathematical but you had me at 1=0)

Just thoughts

From infinity's perspective 0 and 1 are the same.