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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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0 = 1. Why we are more than ourselves.

0 =1

So before I start talking about this, I want to say that if you are not familiar with higher math, most of what I’m about to say won’t make sense to you. You may read along, but if you don’t feel like hurting your head, skip down to Why we are more than ourselves , and if your really don’t like reading and want to know what all the hoopla is about skip to THE MAIN POINT

Okay, for the rest of the people that want to follow along please understand that this is a mathematical fallacy in most regards because of the division of zero. That however is not enough grounds to dismiss the proofs, I’ve always been told by some really excellent math wizards that “just because a result is undefined, does not mean that it isn’t an answer.” (Keep in mind they weren’t English majors) Which I’ve taken to mean , that the undefine-able can still be explained, maybe just not by us. So what I’m going to do is take a crack at the over-all expression represented by 0 = 1, 0! = 1, 0^0 = 1 & 0° = 360° (not by radians, but by (x,y) relation) .

Disclaimer: For sake of brevity, I’ve copy pasted other’s proofs. Check the links for the original authors work.

0 = 1


Proof that one equals zero (Using Algebra)
Given that a and b are integers such that a = b + 1, Prove: 1 = 0

1. a = b + 1 1. Given
2. (a-b)a = (a-b)(b+1) 2. Multiplication Prop. of =
3. a2 - ab = ab + a - b2 - b 3. Distributive Propoerty
4. a2 - ab -a = ab + a -a - b2 - b 4. Subtraction Prop. of =
5. a(a - b - 1) = b(a - b - 1) 5. Distributive Propoerty
6. a = b 6. Division Property of =
7. b + 1 = b 7. Transitive Property of = (Steps 1, 7)
8. Therefore, 1 = 0 8. Subtraction Prop. of =


0=1

A proof can also be shown that 0 = 2, but has the same fallacy that you can’t divide by 0. Although this is taught by some as canceling [U_U] .

0! = 1


Why does 0! = 1 ?
Usually n factorial is defined in the following way:
n! = 1*2*3*...*n
But this definition does not give a value for 0 factorial, so a natural question is: what is the value here of 0! ?
A first way to see that 0! = 1 is by working backward. We know that:
1! = 1
2! = 1!*2
2! = 2
3! = 2!*3
3! = 6
4! = 3!*4
4! = 24

We can turn this around:
4! = 24
3! = 4!/4
3! = 6
2! = 3!/3
2! = 2
1! = 2!/2
1! = 1
0! = 1!/1
0! = 1

In this way a reasonable value for 0! can be found.
How can we fit 0! = 1 into a definition for n! ? Let's rewrite the usual definition with recurrence:
1! = 1
n! = n*(n-1)! for n > 1

Now it is simple to change the definition to include 0! :
0! = 1
n! = n*(n-1)! for n > 0


0! = 1

0^0 = 1

This one is a bit more complicated and I simply don’t have the space to get into all the mathematical debates behind it. Here is one that I found simple enough to follow.



From Concrete Mathematics p.162 (R. Graham, D. Knuth, O. Patashnik):

Some textbooks leave the quantity 0^0 undefined, because the
functions x^0 and 0^x have different limiting values when x
decreases to 0. But this is a mistake. We must define x^0=1 for all
x , if the binomial theorem is to be valid when x = 0 , y = 0 ,
and/or x = -y . The theorem is too important to be arbitrarily
restricted! By contrast, the function 0^x is quite unimportant.


The link also has other explinations, but check the one below for the full DL.

0^0=1

Full explanation: 0^0=1

0° = 360° (on the x,y plane)

I’m not getting to far into this because the proof is quite extensive. I’ll just boil it down and relate that 0 degrees and 360 degrees occupy the same space. Meaning one revolution is equal to 0 revolutions in space, not in energy or distance, or radian, or anything else, they just simply occupy the same space.

other

I want to say that all of these points show something slightly different and in no way should they be considered equivalences. The broader aspect should show that 0 has a funny way of equaling something other than the origin or nothing.

There are other ways to show this occurrence. Some are trigonometric, others are based on calculus. I simply do not want to go through all of my notes to find the proofs and then copy them to the computer. Yes I am being lazy, I just don’t feel that pulling those out (while they are more accurate than anything else I’ve shown and aren’t broken by simple fallacies) will make things clearer, so…. sorry.

I know I’m going to get berated by a few mathletes who want to get into the common debates when these things are brought up, but just for a moment, put the argument aside, just assume that this is correct, and hear me out.




What does this mean?

There are two ways to look at (0=1, and all of it’s forms) in the relationship of (math) and (everyday life & existence):

That we are more than ourselves

-and-

Even though were something, we’re really nothing.

I’m an optimist, and my glass is always full, because we don’t live in a vacuum (if you don’t get it, again, I’m sorry. +10 points for those that do). So I’m going to expand upon the “we are more than ourselves part. “

We are more than Ourselves
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There is an old saying that may help you understand where I’m heading with all of this, and it goes, “Nothing is still Something”. It’s kinda like if a bear $h!t$ in the woods, does it still smell? Well even if nothing is occupying a space the process of just thinking about the void, still gives the ‘nothing’ existence. Or even simpler, the fact that a void exists, there is still a void. The existence of emptiness is still definable so it is still something.

Alright I’ve said that dozen ways, I hope you’re following me.

The # phi and how all things are related.

The # phi is an amazing subject and is often called the golden number. It’s found everywhere in nature and brings all things together. If we borrow the concept and envelope the concept of conscious thought with it, we can begin to see how other things are related. Now I’m not going to talk about the number, I just want to mention it, because of how it is able to intertwine things that are incompatible; which is what I’m trying to do.

Let me ask you something, what is a video on the computer? Or even on a VHS or any other recordable device for that matter? It’s a mixture of on and off switches communicating with hardware devices. The accumulation of these switches represents something more than it is. Yes 1+1+1+0+1=4, but the numbers mean nothing to us until it’s compiled and expressed. We can see that the video doesn’t actually exist, it’s just a representation of millions of interactions. That kind of sounds like the human existence… does it not?

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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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What I mean is that we have organs, cells, biological systems that make us up, we don’t have any perceivable existence until they are compiled and giving this funny thing we call life. I must pose a question here, and I’ll ask you to stop reading and give this some thought…. What is life? How do you define life?

(if you copy past anything from a dictionary, like these terms: Life. I’m going to have to refer to Plato and Diogenes of Sinope, and beat you to the punch by explaining their story. “Plato had defined the human being as an animal, biped and featherless, and was applauded. Diogenes plucked a fowl and brought it into the lecture-room with the words, ‘Here is Plato’s human being.’ Diogenes This shows that life is hardly definable by words and if you try to define it with words, there will always be an essence that is left out.)

THE MAIN POINT

In my eyes, life is our existence. It is the interactions we have that give us thought. When we leave friend, a bond still exists, a bond that is not physical, it isn’t something you can touch, but that Bond is still there. We permeate something more than ourselves. While our perception is limited, it won’t always be. We are constantly growing, evolving, and moving forward, our “[reach is always exceeding our grasp]”. Moving backwards is just not a concept we can accept. You don’t go to work to remove money from your bank account. You don’t put gas in the car to go broke. You don’t put food in your belly to starve yourself. It’s a constant push, where life tells us to move forward and be more than ourselves. It’s not something you can fight, and if you do, the consequences are dire.

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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:27 AM
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Metaphysically speaking, there is an infinite # of ways I can explain what I’m saying. I can tell you in a different language, I can say it in a different accent, I can change some of the words, I can draw different metaphors, I could paint it in a picture; but no matter how the cookie crumbles, an explanation can be found to truly describe that we are more than our physical bodies.

While mathematically and logistically, all these points, while true, are easily dismissed because they don’t actually mean anything, they don’t hold real weight in our lives. These thoughts don’t help us pay bills, raise our children, elect a president, or even get us from point A to point B. Yet they still exist, but what’s the point? Well even though they hold no weight, I happen to believe the contrary. I think that the presence of these fallacies shows us something quite profound that helps us live our lives, and weigh quite heavily on our souls.

[more 2 come, not complete]

So while I leave you to ponder my words, I just want to say, thank you for reading. I hope this helps remove some of the burden from you shoulders; in knowing that someone is always out there, even when we seemingly can't spare the time, asking the question, “Why are we here?”

A final story that is easier to comprehend than all of this, and may help you get through the next day without strangling the next stupid person that crosses your path.

The mayo jar and two cups of coffee
I posted this before but it’s always worth a second read.

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When things in your lives seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee.
A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.
The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.
The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with an unanimous "yes."
The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.
"Now," said the professor as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things--your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions--and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full.
The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car.
The sand is everything else--the small stuff. "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.
"Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf balls first--the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."
One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked.
It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend."
(please interchange coffee with Beer if that makes you feel more comfortable)

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PostWerd: If you skipped around, and still don’t follow or agree with me, before you reply… please read and try to comprehend the sections you skipped. I hope

PPS. I hope I didn’t leave any mental gaps. I think I followed my intended flow, but just in case, let me know if I skipped to far without explaining myself.

COWABUNGA….. BOOYAKASHA!

(I just want to say this is a work in progress. It's something I started about an hour ago and would like to see completed, if even for a moment it helps someone understand why we are here}
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Nice thread. Another allegory I like to use to represent the collective consciousness is this. In my eyes, there is only one natural number, and that is 1. The other numbers are just plural versions of 1. So, we can express ourselves as 1, and together, no matter how many people, we are just a plural version of our individual selves.

I am 1, and you are 1, and together we are two 1s.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Wow Wishful I will have to re-read this again, mathematicas and equations are not always my fortay. However, I agree that we are more than just ourselves. Every living thing is more than itself because if it were otherwise, we would exist as our own private universe. We were created after all, and that in itself implies that we are more than just ourselves in our existence.

I'm just not sure why we always have to complicate the obvious with the mental prowess of man and his 'intelligence' separating the very Creator of it all to include only man's reasoning in exclusion of G-d?

I mean isn't that what your equation is concluding?
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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0=2.
Ponder that one.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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I hear what you're saying. Life is a big mathamatical equation in so many ways. Shouldn't that make it extremely obviously to you that there is a God, one omnipotent creator, the master of all math who put this matrix together, and also within it explained to everyone the purpose for us being here as outlined in the bible? It's so obvious. As you full well know then as a math whiz that the probability of us being here without it being specifically created in such a format is an impossibility. There's simply way too many perfectly designed scenarios that are all working in harmony to give us life. Therefor the only one thing you have left to do if you haven't already in this vast nothingness is to find God and get to know him. That's your ultimate mission in life. Everything else pales in comparison. good luck.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by itsallintheegg
0=2.
Ponder that one.


I mentioned it, thanks for not reading.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by Egyptia
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Wow Wishful I will have to re-read this again, mathematicas and equations are not always my fortay. However, I agree that we are more than just ourselves. Every living thing is more than itself because if it were otherwise, we would exist as our own private universe. We were created after all, and that in itself implies that we are more than just ourselves in our existence.

I'm just not sure why we always have to complicate the obvious with the mental prowess of man and his 'intelligence' separating the very Creator of it all to include only man's reasoning in exclusion of G-d?

I mean isn't that what your equation is concluding?
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I'm honestly not sure what I'm concluding yet. Like I stated, it's still a work in progress, but you're close. We are all part of something. We share a common light.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
Nice thread. Another allegory I like to use to represent the collective consciousness is this. In my eyes, there is only one natural number, and that is 1. The other numbers are just plural versions of 1. So, we can express ourselves as 1, and together, no matter how many people, we are just a plural version of our individual selves.

I am 1, and you are 1, and together we are two 1s.


Just imagine the implications of a bunch of ones creating something more, that is my greatest wish for humanity. If we could only be, 'ourselves'. (ourselves = what we are comprised of, carrying the analogy of complex entanglement one more step_



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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Ya try looking into gematria. Most people are turned off to the idea that there could be messages in the chance equation of the numerical value of letters.. and think that somehow you can come up with whatever you want... but as long as the formula is consistent, there are things to be found that no person could have come up with.

Take the first verse of the Bible for example : biblewheel.com...
Divine Inspiration?, or someone with too much time on their hands?
Who knows? I do. Because I took the time to look and find out for myself.

Why do you thing the Freemasons really use the letter G in the center of the Square/Compass?

Do you think its for God?
Or 'Great Architect'?,
or Geometry?,
or maybe GEMATRIA, which implies all of those, as well as contains 7 letters, the number of the letter G, and the same GEMATRIA value as LUCIFER, the 7 lettered deity they worship as GOD/Great Architect whose Geometry is reflected in the Logos/Word of Man. That, and Lucifer is the 'Light Bearer' and there are 7 rays in the color spectrum.

HMMMM..... Im only 20 and yet I know 50 year olds who haven't an inkling of an idea of what's been blatantly obvious for AGES.

They're too scared of Satan, or Demons to open a freaking Aleister Crowley book, or hell, the ORIGINAL HEBREW/GREEK versions of the 66 books of the Bible!
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:51 AM
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I get what youre saying, but theres a simpler way to put it..
Or you could say Nothing is Something.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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Also stated. Thanks again

While I was raised catholic, religion has no place in what I'm talking about.

Please can a mod remove his posts, he's gone of topic. He has no idea what my delivered message is, and is simply replying to the title of my thread.
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by wishful1gnorance
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Also stated. Thanks again

While I was raised catholic, religion has no place in what I'm talking about.

Please can a mod remove his posts, he's gone of topic. He has no idea what my delivered message is, and is simply replying to the title of my thread.
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Are you sure that it's not right on topic?
I mean, if its not true, woudlnt it imply some sort of truth thereby implying some reasonable truth? Is that not the point of your post? If not, then please enlighten me with some algebra or whatever preferred method.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by r2d246
I hear what you're saying. Life is a big mathamatical equation in so many ways. Shouldn't that make it extremely obviously to you that there is a God, one omnipotent creator, the master of all math who put this matrix together, and also within it explained to everyone the purpose for us being here as outlined in the bible? It's so obvious. As you full well know then as a math whiz that the probability of us being here without it being specifically created in such a format is an impossibility. There's simply way too many perfectly designed scenarios that are all working in harmony to give us life. Therefor the only one thing you have left to do if you haven't already in this vast nothingness is to find God and get to know him. That's your ultimate mission in life. Everything else pales in comparison. good luck.


Nope not what I'm saying at all. I'm drawing upon a conclusion that things tie together. We aren't just some big math equation, *That is not what I'm saying*. I'm not somebody that just took ten hits of acid before writing this. What I'm saying is that.... well I haven't gotten there yet.

The closest thing I can come to atm, is that we as humans have an existence that is more than ourselves. Maybe it God, or Nirvana, or simply making the best out of the time we have. I really hope you go back and actually read what I've written instead of making an immediate judgment about your past experiences.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:03 AM
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it might help if you read the topic. Don't ask me about what I've said, I just said it. I'm not going to dumb it down, because it can't be dumbed down. If anything I haven't taken it far enough to explain the fullness of the topic.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Very interesting thread SNF.. makes our mind try to expend more and see other horizons
your maths is really not english for me lol
followed your advice to go to the last 2 main topics .. saved me a lot of trouble ahah
i have a few thoughs concerning this 0 = 1

Bruce Lee explain this concept perfectly



0 = 1


hard to understand at first
metaphores can be hard to decipher sometimes
in others words .. Hu/man
Man is the cup (vessel)
Hu is the water (imortal godlike soul)
so you need to become 1 at the end .. its inevitable
it can take thousand of yrs .. but all souls eventualy find their way back to the source
so you need to trust more in yourself and listen only to your hearts
never trust the mind and others mind (illusions)





our life --> 011101010101101010111
remember the morpheus scene


you have the freewill to see how far the rabit hole goes(the truth) if you want to be free
our hearts wants us to know the truth but the mind make silly illusions to distract us

if we think further .. 0's are the mistakes and anomaly from parallele dimensions
and the 1's are correct answers when we show Love from our hearts (Heart = Holy Grail)
following the only true path back to the source (God)

everyone remember the big room with all the tv's and the guy in white
showing neo all the 01010110101101010101 from alternate realities



the 010110101's aso apply to everything that exist
makes the colors on a tree to a simple thoughs in the mind
hope it is more clear now to see the bigger picture of life itself and the creation
why we are here now reading this .. (not a coincidence by the way)
the will of God is powerfull .. everyone has a purpose

Live Love and have Fun is all that is important to do .. progressing / evolving
so have Faith in Life
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 03:34 AM
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What is life....hm life is being animate. Perhaps being able to react to your environment?
Sorry Plato you don't impress me
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posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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There is just the one ocean with waves appearing. Thoughts are waves that say i am separate - they don't realize the ocean of consciousness from which they emerge.
Emptiness is forming.



posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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a machine is able t react to it's environment... does that give it life?





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