Youtube user ties the Anti-Muslim video to...? Wow!!!

reply to post by DeadSeraph

You is always relevant, DS. This popcorn tastes like shizzle.

I'm sure this is a Psy-ops video.

Several questions which need answers:

1. Why when visiting YouTube is the "Innocent Muslims" film the first thing on the list "From YouTube". (We all know YouTube manipulates which videos are shown there).

2. Why hasn't it been taken down, I mean seriously the video has caused deaths, and it's existence has led to the death of several people! Take that # down!

3. I noticed on the original upload the video was there for about 3 months before it got attention, the only people who looked at it before it became famous where a Coptic Christian into exorcism (who I believe has an agenda, to highlight that the video is Christian in origin) and then the strange thing was the Cindy Garcia posts, first one asking when the full version would be released and the second one seemed in reply to a question that had been removed which I imagine asked who she was, as she explained who she was in the film - if this was posted by anyone in the production team surely they would of known who she was, after all the cast wasn't extensive.

4. Cindy Garcia has requested the video be taken down in court and was refused, even though her life is in danger (death threats etc). This shows the 'agenda' of the video is (to those who made it) more important than a few lives. Although YouTube already has a policy of abuse and harassment (if this video is not harassment then i don't know what is) they refuse to remove it www.youtube.com... -> for reporting abuse...

Due to those reasons I am sure this is a planned, we all know how much google are in the Governments/Corporate Elites pockets
Case in point - insidesearch.blogspot.ca...

Regards,
Reflected

(sorry for grammer/typos in work and can't proof read as in a rush!)

reply to post by MsAphrodite

The innocence of muslims movie was made by the terrorists or the govt terrorists to mark the place for the next attack. They must bring the terror to California, to LA, to California to fully dominate this coast.

Originally posted by Reflected
I'm sure this is a Psy-ops video.

Several questions which need answers:

1. Why when visiting YouTube is the "Innocent Muslims" film the first thing on the list "From YouTube". (We all know YouTube manipulates which videos are shown there).

2. Why hasn't it been taken down, I mean seriously the video has caused deaths, and it's existence has led to the death of several people! Take that # down!

3. I noticed on the original upload the video was there for about 3 months before it got attention, the only people who looked at it before it became famous where a Coptic Christian into exorcism (who I believe has an agenda, to highlight that the video is Christian in origin) and then the strange thing was the Cindy Garcia posts, first one asking when the full version would be released and the second one seemed in reply to a question that had been removed which I imagine asked who she was, as she explained who she was in the film - if this was posted by anyone in the production team surely they would of known who she was, after all the cast wasn't extensive.

4. Cindy Garcia has requested the video be taken down in court and was refused, even though her life is in danger (death threats etc). This shows the 'agenda' of the video is (to those who made it) more important than a few lives. Although YouTube already has a policy of abuse and harassment (if this video is not harassment then i don't know what is) they refuse to remove it www.youtube.com... -> for reporting abuse...

Due to those reasons I am sure this is a planned, we all know how much google are in the Governments/Corporate Elites pockets
Case in point - insidesearch.blogspot.ca...

Regards,
Reflected

(sorry for grammer/typos in work and can't proof read as in a rush!)

Good questions.

3 questions of my own:

1) Why are Americans making apologies for what is a terribly produced video, when they do a far better job of making fun of Jesus via South Park or Family Guy?

2) Why was the "creator" of this video arrested shortly after the violence in the middle east occurred? Why was he not arrested before, if he had parole conditions he violated (up to a year before).

3) Why and HOW was this video propagated in the middle east? The OP takes a stab at this but doesn't follow through with the "Who, What, Where, When, Why"'s.

Lots of questions and no answers. Either way, I find the fact we are even debating it hilarious. Should we bow to muslim extremists? I thought they orchestrated 9/11? Now we are appeasing them? Oh yeah. That must be democratic policy

Bait and switch.

Exactly. Why would America apologise, the guy who allegedly made it is responsible not a nation!

The alleged maker may have made it, paid in the back pocket to:
a: keep his mouth shut
b: deal with the fall-out
No doubt the maker will be chilling out in a mansion in the Bahamas, never to be heard of again (they have done well hiding his face)... either that or they will ensure he is assassinated, dead men tell no tales.
Who would be better to lie for you though than someone who is obviously motivated by money to the extent he will seemingly do anything to get it, even if it means spending some time inside before the paycheck.

Lots of unanswered questions, very little information.

For me though this highlights just how (I hate this phrase) TPTB operate and gives an amazing insight into how we are all manipulated by them.


--- Disregard this, just a rant - had to vent it somewhere (it is related to the above so not off-topic) ---
This may sound nutty but i couldn't sleep last night I had things going through my head, things like the X-Factor and Simon Cowell, I mean this guy was really awful at what he did, almost laughable, but then he comes out with this image, and manufactured music, he begins to dictate the music industry, a place where creativity and emotions should be free, and he narrows it down into pre-approved pre-written bulls**t, no one even sings their own songs, they are clones, and they destroyed a bastion of freedom by systematically integrating a whole new soulless breed of music. The people who win, who go forth onto these shows, just want fame and money, even to the point they would sing something of no relevance to themselves, making them into the perfect 'brainwashers' with already enough backing for everyone to hear there music. Do you remember GTA Vice City "we play it till you like it"? That is so true. The music is manufactured to an agenda, the people listening, the impressionable ones then manifest it. I believe this is only one method of control, but it works in a simular fashion to the video in question. Except in this case Simon Cowell is the "fall-guy". I could be wrong and this could be a 'phase' I am going through but it all seems to obvious to me now, and transparent.

Take the news for example, how they raise celebrities to a iconic status. For example look at the whole Princess Kate topless s**t thats has been on the news (here in the UK at least) everyday for over a week now! who would of known about this if the media hadn't 'advertised' it, what is the agenda? The news seems to run in circles with the same stories from different view points - obesity - anorexia - parenting - teachers - costs all stuff that has been covered to death, but is always there, just to make sure none of us think we are okay.

The scary thing is I am sure it's contagious and self perpetuating ....

Anyway rant over, had to get it off my chest though .

Regards,
Reflected

Lets use our big boy brains for a minute shall we?

Don't you think that if there were powers that be powerful enough to manipulate events to "start WW3" that this man would be dead right now?

Guys...its fun and all to jump to wild conclusions, but just for once, use your common sense....come on, i know you have some

Wow is it that unfeasable some made a indie borat style video and it snowballed after the media put its filthy hand in it? Its crap like this that makes conspiracy folk seem nuts.

Originally posted by 3danimator
Lets use our big boy brains for a minute shall we?

Don't you think that if there were powers that be powerful enough to manipulate events to "start WW3" that this man would be dead right now?

Guys...its fun and all to jump to wild conclusions, but just for once, use your common sense....come on, i know you have some

What in the literal $*!# did I just post? It's a conspiracy forum.You are completely right. I should have been debunking this idea for stars from my first post instead of asking questions.

You, sir, have provided such an in depth view of the situation. So calm and star worthy.... Don't mind if I give you one out of sarcasm.

This reminds me of the days when fake bin Laden videos were all the rage and us sheeple were getting real confused about whether bin Laden was right handed or left handed, wore jewellry or did not wear jewellry had a long nose and a long face or a short nose and a fat face, etc., and somebody traced one of the videos of fat faced northpaw bin Laden to an address in the US.

It also reminded me of the crazy upsurge in sexual assaults and harassment in Cairo, Egypt just prior to the overthrow of Mubarak.

Mubarak Downfall: Linked to Foreign Intelligence Agencies?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The site, www.harassmap.org features a map showing the frequency of sexual harassment in neighborhoods of Cairo. Starting in November of 2010 there was a dramatic upsuge of complaints registered by the website.

www.harassmap.org...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/05aef4fbd975.jpg[/atsimg]

Seeing this graph, I began to wonder if there is another phenomenon shown here.

Could it be that politically motivated fake thugs went on a harassment campaign in Cairo, preliminary to the demonstrations against Mubarak, in order to increase the level of emotional upset preparatory to taking to the streets? I wouldn't doubt it.

It would not be out of character at all for the sneaky wing of the US government in one of its shape shifted guises to be behind the current disturbances across the Muslim world.

Originally posted by 3danimator
Lets use our big boy brains for a minute shall we?

Don't you think that if there were powers that be powerful enough to manipulate events to "start WW3" that this man would be dead right now?

Guys...its fun and all to jump to wild conclusions, but just for once, use your common sense....come on, i know you have some

ha ha, yeah, my last bit was quite out there I admit that freely, and it was fun just to throw caution to the wind and make a bold statement.

However I think there are manipulative forces out there, some trying to manipulate events for something like 'WW3' others for less dramatic outcomes or just getting you to buy their products
blog.kissmetrics.com...

As I said though, the guy may have been paid off, killing him would be to obvious, but yeah I think this is a manufactured event, or more likely an event that started as one man project and has now been hijacked.

My common sense says:
A: Video made by a nobody...
B: Actors are lied to because they know no one would do the film knowing its true purpose...
C: Video goes Viral after being promoted to an Egyptian TV network...
D: Events that followed are cause and effect (or the straw that broke the camels back)...
E: Youtube remove video to prevent further worldwide unrest and harassment.

All stages up to D and including D I can accept with common sense, but the fact this is on the front page of YouTube and they (google) are defending it's existence through the courts and even though it has caused deaths, serves absolutely no merit artistically, academically or in entertainment and is just a big trollol to the Muslim world is allowed to remain there, sitting boldly on the front page for over a week now really rings alarm bells.

It's no conspiracy there are nutters out there who want WW3, and are trying to make it happen, the fact it hasn't happened yet is a good sign that they don't have the power to make it happen yet, but I think using common sense it's obvious to see there is more to this now at least than meets the eye.

Yom Kipper starts at sundown on the 25th. HUMMM

The guy in the OP's video refers to the huge number of views on very new YouTube channels featuring this video. This kind of phenomenon is undoubtedly the result of an email driven publicity "campaign" directed at jihadi style websites by . . . anybody who might want to get mileage out of the video.

This is like grade school level crap disturbing. It is just so in character for certain "agencies".

Viewing this guy on his video, with a "psychology" in mind. Brings about some major problems with this scenario.

* This guy is lying, what he's lying about is not certain ... but he has the "looking away making it up look" several times.
* This guy has an emotion "anger" agenda ... showing severe aggression attitude.
* He's got the "blank" look of an addict.

His find is to be taken with a grain of salt.

I don't get what this guy is saying. He googled search the company and the logo game up? Is that not what usually happens when you search a name?

Originally posted by bjarneorn
Viewing this guy on his video, with a "psychology" in mind. Brings about some major problems with this scenario.

No denying that. The guy has a "down at heel" appearance. He looks kinda seedy, to be frank, and I am not trying to insult him but these are serious suggestions that he his making and merit a straightforward response.

* This guy is lying, what he's lying about is not certain ... but he has the "looking away making it up look" several times.

Or is it that he is aware that what he is saying is hardly credible (unless you are ATS types who have been observing "wildlife" for years) and that people may believe he is lying. If he is an habitual liar, telling the truth, especially a risky truth, may feel like lying to him.

* This guy has an emotion "anger" agenda ... showing severe aggression attitude.

Completely justified if what he is saying is true. Keep in mind that one man actually died from inhaling the smoke from burning American flags at a protest. Let's keep things in perspective here. Oh yeah, Chris Stevens died too and three other US embassy employees.

* He's got the "blank" look of an addict.

In today's media that is hardly an oddity. In today's America one is not taken seriously unless one is an addict or has made a porno. This guy is right on point in that respect. He probably has very high priced management.

His find is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Personally, I think he is on to something.

The first thing you have to do, when somebody is coming out with accusatins of any kind. Is to look at the person in question first. You have to evaluate the accusation. I'm not trying to insult this guy, just bringing up the obvious parts. But one has to check, if this guy may have an agenda, a ulterior motive.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Or is it that he is aware that what he is saying is hardly credible

At the beginning, he is not aware. At the end, he is aware and is looking up. The fact that he is looking up, an obvious straineous move, suggests he is aware and trying to hide a possible "tell". And "that" in itself, is a tell too.

Completely justified if what he is saying is true. Keep in mind that one man actually died from inhaling the smoke from burning American flags at a protest. Let's keep things in perspective here. Oh yeah, Chris Stevens died too and three other US embassy employees.

Which is why the mans agenda must be researched. He's accusing the film maker for it, which is an obvious reflection of guilt.

His research is not the work of an intellectual, an intellectual would understand that a gun doesn't shoot. The film is not responsible for the reactions of the muslim world. It's the people in the muslim world, who choose to kill ... nobody is "forcing" them to do it.

It is therefore suspect, that his ulterior agenda, may be to induce blame.

Personally, I think he is on to something.

No.

From a general conspiracy "freaks" view (mine). It is well worth the look, wether TPTB, are actually using this scenario to creat guys like this one. For the purpose of inducing fear amongst his kind (yours and mine), to help with removing people's freedom of speech, for security. But any "look" into the maker, will reduce a negative feect ... at the very best, he's a Lee Harvy Oswald.

IFF TPTB had ANY agenda, it would be THAT agenda.

And the only way to counter that, is for us to be NOT afraid ... in world war II, over 50 million people sacrificed their lives to give us this freedom. And you're afraid to defend it with yours?

reply to post by bjarneorn

We'll have to agree to disagree. The focus of the film is the Muslim world. That is where NATO military hardware is building up and where a strike against Iran has been in the offing for months. Is this film being used to flush game by the secret services of Israel and the US prior to a major military initiative in the region?

The free speech thing is a side issue in my opinion.

ATTENTION:

The wiki page on Stanley seems to have been deleted!? At least I can't access it anymore... :/


Sorry if this has been mentioned before, haven't read the entire thread yet but upon investigating the provided evidence, it appears the wiki page is already gone.

There are only two explanations for this; Someone is trolling and removed it for exactly this purpose, OR the evidence is being destroyed, in which case, the guy in the video seriously needs to pack his stuff and MOVE...

Very interesting thread, will be reading the rest of it now

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by new_here

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by new_here


Well, goodnight my friend. I just wanted a simple answer about the other video. Just one little sentence. Not another 20 minute video to watch. I'm outta here. This thread is not user-friendly.

Hmmm........

Well WHY did you bypass this simple answer without a response?

I did. I starred it. It was really nice of you to clarify that question for the other member.
I know that those two being fired- and maybe helping with the movie- is just a tangent of his main point. That is MY question. He says a lot of facts. He implies conspiracy. He never actually comes right out and says what he believes all of those facts tied together sum up to. It's a valid question, no? A lot of people act like it's crystal clear. To me it is not. Whatever-- I only came back to this thread out of respect for you to reply.

Anyone who feels led to sum up the guy's theory please send me a U2U.

Have a good night, all.

Have a good night also.

You are right. He never did come out with an outright response, but I think we can actually gather his intentions, with the arrows pointing in the direction he was going. Hope I didn't come off as a idiot, BTW

. Glad you responded back, actually. Lots of "hit and runs", in threads, like this. If I hear anything, substantial, I will let you know, out of courtesy.

~Sonny~

He does give his opinion in the last minute of the 2nd video posted on here (which chronologically was first)

So, In a nutshell our Government is behind the video that caused the Muslims to go ape shat. I'm pretty sure we all knew this before hand. As with all wars the USA gets invloved in, there's a false-flag event prior to us bombing the hell out of some third world sandpeople.

I'm more affraid of my own Government than I am a Muslim in the Middle East. I'm more affraid of Israel than any other country on the planet. Their recipe is for the Christians & Muslims to kill each other off. I'll bet bottom dollar were at war before Dec 2nd, a big war, a war that some will say want be on our soil. Yes it will. Oh yes it will.

If there's a WW3 American cities will be targets for destruction. I would bet my life on that. Either by false-flag or conventional bombing. As with, Pearl Harbor & 911 Our leaders need that "wave of indignation" to yet again sweep across our nation . And send thousands of our young people off to die or be mamed needlessly.

Some days, I'm ashamed to be called American.