Originally posted by jacktorrance
reply to post by detachedindividual
I too, feel a bit of fear rising up in me, and not the fear of Islam. The fear that a vast majority of Americans, my friends and family, my community,
are turning more and more aggressive towards people that are simply different. Whether the color of their skin, their wardrobe, or their language - if
it's different, it's a threat. It feels like Communist propaganda for our generation, and not only are people buying into it, they're *happily*
buying into it.
Unfortunately, like you said, many people came here and didn't read (or didn't care about) what you were asking. I hate that it degenerated to only
11 pages, mostly filled with hateful rhetoric, when it could have been a very thought provoking discussion.
I hope you realize that I am addressing solely the ideology of Islam itself. Muslim is a person submitted to the religion of Islam by belief in the
shahada, accepting in Allah and his Apostle. Muslims are white, black, Hispanic, Asian and everything else. I did not imply they were only
While we are at it, can you define for us just exactly what Islamic ideology is. Is it truly the religion of peace? Certainly not and was never called
that in Mohammed's time. Islam means submission. But that asks then, "submitted to what?" Are you submitted to the religion that says there is no
compulsion in religion, but then forces people to remain in the religion? How is that not compulsion? But then you say "what about those who
converted willingly?" I will ask this, were they submitted willingly before or after reading the Quran?
Because the reading of the Quran is not required for conversion, it is not legitimizing itself because that convert really has nothing to understand
what the Quran requires of them once becoming a Muslim. Reading the Quran is required after conversion, and that reading must be done in Arabic, a
language which no non-Arab speaker can do.
And you know nothing about Communism or Communist propaganda. In fact, Communism was inclusive of the Jews at a time when Jews were persecuted all
over Europe. This ended the pogroms against the Jews. In Communism, everyone was equal in the State, even those countries that became part of the
USSR, but are now independent Islamic countries such as Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kahzakstan. Those are only three, but when those countries gained
independence, they are Islamic.
Your idea that we think only Arabs are Muslim and we do not like Arabs, that is a completely baseless charge. It is to the ideology of Islam itself
that I address, and ask you, as well, to address it. Islam is a political movement, not only a religious one. It is cultural also. For you to think
Islam is not a political entity, then you are being very naive.
Have you chosen to classify yourself as a dhimmi? Do you intend on paying the jizyah tax if it is required? These are things determined for you under
Sharia law. A good source for understanding Sharia law is found in the book Reliance of the Traveler
published 1994 by Amana Publications. This
is an Islamic book written by Islamic lawyers. I challenge you to go read it.
You have proven that it is impossible to separate being Muslim from Islam. Therefore, if the identity of a Muslim is found solely within the framework
of Islam, then it is impossible to separate the ideology of Islam from them.
You might take the Muslim out of an Islamic country, but you can't take the Islam out of him. Either she is Muslim, with all the ideology attached,
or he is not Muslim and can denounce Islam. There is no such thing as a non-Islamic Muslim.
While Muslims themselves fight each other over what a Muslim is, at the end of the day they all embrace Islam. Because Islam is an ideology. And if it
is an ideology, then it must be addressed if the ideology promotes genocide and human rights violations. I guess you would not mind then if I inserted
words for you like this "This thread is being unfair to Germans because not all Germans are Nazi, and your hatred of Germans is obvious. Leave the
Germans alone, they are just different even though they don't mind their neighbors being Nazi".
Did that sound pleasant? I am sure it didn't. But your point is baseless, we know that Muslims are not all one color or come from the same place. So
then, tell me why you believe Islam is an acceptable ideology, because it is Islam you are defending.