Do you think the China Vs U.s war will happen?

yes, we are all invested together, but this situation between China and japan could spill over a big way. Yes, U.s has the greatest navy in the world, but China may or may not have a EMP weapon (sorry for fearmongering).

I was wondering about the situation between China and U.s. Who do you believe the outcome will be? As far as wars I don't really have a recollection of any past war between the two countries either. United states have a reason to be afraid I do believe. Debt, investment and large numbers. Middle east is cake compared to China

Their economies are far too tied together to risk it, for either one.

Chinas growth is directly tied to the US continuing to buy their cheep crap.

What you will see is economic sniping, much like with Obama currently pursing the Chinese auto industry and fair trade.

Maybe one day that will turn to open war, but I think it will be economic warfare to constantly try to get the upper hand over the other.

Originally posted by Jordan River
yes, we are all invested together, but this situation between China and japan could spill over a big way. Yes, U.s has the greatest navy in the world, but China may or may not have a EMP weapon (sorry for fearmongering).

I was wondering about the situation between China and U.s. Who do you believe the outcome will be? As far as wars I don't really have a recollection of any past war between the two countries either. United states have a reason to be afraid I do believe. Debt, investment and large numbers. Middle east is cake compared to China

Correction, Britain has the best navy in the world.

2nd.

Agree with above, war won't happen between these two in the short term.

US imports 400 bil from china/year.www.uschina.org...

I could see this China/Japan situation if prolonged, dragging the US into it...which may or may not be by design...China holds a lot of US Debt and is competing directly with the US for world supremacy while raising the price of natural resources around the world to supply their ever growing demand...if it's not a boots on the ground kinda war it in fact could/may be a financial war fought not on land but in the markets.

Either directly or indirectly I think eventually we will see China vs US in some sort of war. Unless something drastic changes the US govt. are going to continue their war-mongering, we want to rule the world at all costs campaign. They're already trying to push into Asia now that they're had their fun in the middle-east (establishing new bases in Australia and ships permanently off the north coast of Australia..)

China is starting to flex it's muscle and causing grief with with Japan, it backs North Korea and has the solid support of Russia. Then you've got muslim extremists to add to the mix trying to be #1 and enforce extremist muslims beliefs on everyone, where alot of the countries that the extremists originate from are "friends" with China so yeah, unless something gives I think the world is in for a rough time sometime in the near(ish) future.

I see it as seemingly inevitable since we have hundreds of years worth of history to show us the prelude of what happens when two opposing factions gain strength, not to mention all of the personal power struggles taking place behind the scenes in both China and the US. you could get extremists on one side that set it off.

also other nations/individuals might play them against each other or fabricate stories to complicate the situation..

I can see a worldwide legion of communists/fascists assembling to try and take down the US as a possibility in the future but we would have to continue down this road a long time..

still too many patriots for them to try anything silly though.

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Not militarily. The Chinese don't think like us Johnny get your guns westerners. Why bother? They'll wear us down economically until we're warring among ourselves over shrinking goods because we produce so little of what we use.

Think BRICS

And civil war.

Originally posted by frazzle
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Not militarily. The Chinese don't think like us Johnny get your guns westerners. Why bother? They'll wear us down economically until we're warring among ourselves over shrinking goods because we produce so little of what we use.

Think BRICS

And civil war.

What do you do when your economy gets in the real #? (our economy is fine) you get involved in a major conflict to get as much resources as possible, get your local population to panic buy and create thousands of jobs in producing ammunition, tanks etc.

Thus getting your economy to boom, then the arseholes at the top will reap in the rewards and profiteer as usual.

Rant over.

The Chinese do not think like we do. They are great at copying technology but terrible at thinking out of the box. America has been the leader in innovation for a very long time because we have had freedom. The Chinese have just been subsisting for a very long time. Besides, we feed China. Starving citizens revolt and change their governments. Evidence, The french Revolution. I suppose we could get out of a few trillion in debt if they did attack us though.

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(our economy is fine)

Is that you, Ben? We're good from QE to infinity?

How about that major war (cake walk) in Iraq where little girls were going to throw flowers at the feet of our conquering heroes and the grateful people were supposed to hand over all their oil. Oh wait, we smashed all the flowers and many of the little girls, too. But did the cost of oil or gas go down for ya?

And then there was that major war in Afghanistan. We really beat the snot out of those cave dwellers, didn't we? And reaped the resources ~ tons of opium.

Originally posted by frazzle
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(our economy is fine)

Is that you, Ben? We're good from QE to infinity?

How about that major war (cake walk) in Iraq where little girls were going to throw flowers at the feet of our conquering heroes and the grateful people were supposed to hand over all their oil. Oh wait, we smashed all the flowers and many of the little girls, too. But did the cost of oil or gas go down for ya?

And then there was that major war in Afghanistan. We really beat the snot out of those cave dwellers, didn't we? And reaped the resources ~ tons of opium.

Please quote me where I was condoning our actions in the ME.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by jimmiec
The Chinese do not think like we do. They are great at copying technology but terrible at thinking out of the box. America has been the leader in innovation for a very long time because we have had freedom. The Chinese have just been subsisting for a very long time. Besides, we feed China. Starving citizens revolt and change their governments. Evidence, The french Revolution. I suppose we could get out of a few trillion in debt if they did attack us though.

www.ndtv.com...

Chinese counterfeit parts infiltrating US weapons system

"Our committee's report makes it abundantly clear that vulnerabilities throughout the defence supply chain allow counterfeit electronic parts to infiltrate critical US military systems, risking our security and the lives of the men and women who protect it," Ranking Member of the Committee Sen John McCain said.

I'd call that pretty out of the box thinking.

Revolt? Yeah, why do you think the government is stocking up on ammo like there's no tomorrow? Even the frikkin postal workers seem to be expecting us to revolt over missed deliveries or something.

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Please quote me where I was condoning our actions in the ME.

I didn't and you didn't. I was speaking about our military capabilities. If you'd like we can go back to Viet Nam, at least we were fighting the commies back then, right? Didn't work out too well that time, either.

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Not sure if you noticed but Im British.

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Sorry, I didn't notice, but that doesn't make my points invalid.

Originally posted by frazzle
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Sorry, I didn't notice, but that doesn't make my points invalid.

Agreed, however I'm almost certain the Brits weren't involved in Vietnam, well no doubt there were British intelligence officers providing intel for the yanks.

Originally posted by Krono

Originally posted by frazzle
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Sorry, I didn't notice, but that doesn't make my points invalid.

Agreed, however I'm almost certain the Brits weren't involved in Vietnam, well no doubt there were British intelligence officers providing intel for the yanks.

Granted, but the topic is the US going to war with China, not GB. Everybody's got their fingers in all the pies, so there's no doubt your intelligence people were right in there. Doesn't matter, the whole thing was FUBAR from beginning to end. I can't imagine a war with China would go any better for the US, especially since they'd have tremendous support from everybody else we've managed to PO in the past 60 years.

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Just to add

The Brits were in vietnam
Special forces ( and Aussie/Kiwi ) , air controllers, artillery forward controllers, intelegence, CBRN specialists, COIN units, and other specialist advisers

Originally posted by Neocrusader
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Just to add

The Brits were in vietnam
Special forces ( and Aussie/Kiwi ) , air controllers, artillery forward controllers, intelegence, CBRN specialists, COIN units, and other specialist advisers

Ah, thought our special forces were exploited for another made up war.