reply to post by SpookyVince
I haven't read through the responses here, but I have a feeling you will face the same kind of thread hijacking as I have when trying to create a
discussion about the coming domestic problems we will all face as opposing groups use these events for propaganda.
Well done on this thread. You've created a very logical and clear representation of your thoughts.
I have suggested from the beginning that freedom of opinion and expression comes with some responsibilities. It's interesting to see that there are
many in the US specifically who have a hypocritical view of freedom. For instance, there are a lot of Americans screaming about how pathetic it is
that a drawing or a film causes such anger and violence.
But, at the same time, hundreds of thousands of Christians in America are defending the word "marriage", because they believe that same sex couples
using that word destroys something in their religion. They might not be attacking embassies (if there were "gay embassies" I'm certain they would be
if the law passes in favor!) but is this not exactly the same form of opinion?
It's a religious group becoming offended by something that is outside of their lives. Just as extremists in the Muslim world see this as an attack on
their faith, Christians see the proposal of using the word Marriage in same sex partnerships as an attack on their faith too.
I find that extremely hypocritical.
Following on from that, there are also Christian groups in the USA who fought to have Ellen Degeneres taken off the air, because they believed that
her homosexuality was a bad influence on society. Then there are those who complain about gay pride marches, suggesting that influence society, or
they're "rubbing it in people's faces". I always hear comments from Homophobes on here saying things like "just keep it to yourself".
How is that freedom? Are these people not exactly the same? They preach about how their nation is so free and they have the right to express
themselves, and they use that expression of opinion to try to prevent others from having the same freedoms!
My point is this - those using their freedoms in the US to openly campaign for others to be silenced or restricted are a minority, just as those in
the Muslim world protesting are a minority. But it is interesting to see a complete lack of comprehension on this issue - the hypocrisies are there
for all to see, but no one wants to mention it because it shows that the Christian faith has no higher ground here. They might not be protesting in
the streets and burning down embassies, but they are still claiming to be free to express themselves as they wish on one hand, while trying to silence
and restrict others with an opposing view.
I recognize that the French magazine has a right to print what they want. But I do question their motives, and I do question their morality.
My mother told me (when she was told about me swearing in school by the teacher) "you have the right to say what you want, but you will bear the
consequences." The same applies here - just because you CAN say something, doesn't mean that you MUST say something.
Those being violent are always responsible for their violence. And while it might not be right that the magazine is seen as a catalyst - because they
are only using their freedoms - they have to accept that they have been partly responsible because they stated something others deemed offensive.
Whether the resulting action is right or wrong, they knew what the likely outcome would be, and they chose to do it anyway.
IMO, the creators of the video, and those publishing the cartoon, are partly responsible, because they knew what the response would likely be, and
they chose to use their right to say something as an incitement.
I'm going to say this again, because I know some right-wingers on here will immediately attack anyone who dares to do anything but immediately attack
all Muslims in the world - I agree that the violence and protest is wrong, pathetic, and an extreme over-reaction, but welcome to reality. Like it or
not, this was predictable, and yet some in the West keep poking at that hornets nest. It's like we're constantly taunting an angry dog in a yard, and
then we're blaming the owner of that dog when it smashes through the fence and attacks someone.
edit on 22-9-2012 by detachedindividual
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