The Accusations Are True ATS - I Do Have An Agenda And I Have Been Manipulating You! My Confession.

reply to post by auto73912621


Claiming that you've never fallen prey to manipulation does not mean I failed. It means that your ego isn't quite ready to accept the fact that you, indeed, have been manipulated - and constantly are manipulated by just about every external source.

~Heff

I am Impressed. Every One thing you've done is Impressive, just as I have done. Though I can take no credit for Nature. You know that Which you feel but The Dark one still remains. On this matter I can only say that; I have Forgiven the one who watched over me in my Darkest Hour. In fact I would like it to be known that I do not Regret what I've done. I can only try to help to Understand. Some things are not Chosen by the mind. Only by the Heart. It is my hope that We can still call Ourselves Brother when this is done. As taught to me by he whom Follows him, I shall write It upon Paper which will never be seen. On this paper I shall write the Song of my heart, and though The clouds weep with me and For me I still wish you the very best. My love is eternal. I trust in the Angels above, The Fish beneath the waves, and The Beast that Walks the land. I wish you the best.

reply to post by Hefficide


...i pity you deeply Heff
..yes it may be true that you fooled many.... by understanding some of how our holographic Matrix works - and how it therefore influences the mind

- but your real danger, is " deceiving yourself "

...you are só [mistakenly] proud on your "achievements"
that you cut off drastically the way to the Good Faith

...you became but a specialist in self-deception


Change that.

bless

reply to post by Lone12


To pity a stranger based upon a very limited data set is an odd thing to do. Informed positions are far more credible than those born of reaction and incomplete information, wouldn't you say?

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


rather irrelevant.

..i ve read your first posts, the tone and colour in them,
and especially the Pride i noticed in all your words.

Self pride.

..believe me - if *something* is a danger to find the Good Faith - to your ówn wellbeing ! -
then it is SelfPride.

...and i read in all your words, that you became a Master in that.
Thats all.

bless again

I haven't seen so much self endulging nonsense on here since I first came here in 2008. Really pitiful, especially coming from someone who is "mod" here.

reply to post by gigaherc


Possibly if you read the thread before replying you'd alter your opinion of self-indulgent behavior. Whether or not to do so is your choice, however. As you have every right to make uninformed statements here.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by auto73912621

 

Claiming that you've never fallen prey to manipulation does not mean I failed. It means that your ego isn't quite ready to accept the fact that you, indeed, have been manipulated - and constantly are manipulated by just about every external source.

~Heff

Where is your difference between your's and every others' manipulation? Except you make a step ahead and say "I am such a great manipulator." while you are being manipulated yourself. Concerning your first post you have an insight into the materia and are intelligently superior to approximatly 95-98% of the population.

And?

The much more interesting question is not how/that we play others, but more how we play ourselves. But that's another story.

reply to post by Hefficide


Preaching to the converted Mate, I left advertising over 10 years ago. Its full of snakes, thieves and liars.
Always read the fine print and try and read between the lines.
I was sick of my bosses telling me to lie in order to make a sale or pick up a new contract.
I was in Print Media and found Print Journalists to be vain, egotistical scumbags who could make an innocent story into a news headline, my job was to look after certain large companies and their advertising.
Just thinking about it makes my skin crawl.
So I understand perfectly the duplicity of advertising and the mind games that are played by these people.

reply to post by Lone12


Pride comes before a fall.

Can you please tell me in 5 short sentenses what your point is exactly?

reply to post by defrost

Originally posted by defrost

Where is your difference between your's and every others' manipulation? Except you make a step ahead and say "I am such a great manipulator." while you are being manipulated yourself. Concerning your first post you have an insight into the materia and are intelligently superior to approximatly 95-98% of the population.

I said neither of these things. What I did say is:

And the list of things that I could claim are only limited by my imagination. So, rather than digging imaginary rabbit holes, I'll simply tell the truth. I am what I have always professed to be. A middle aged guy with PTSD and Bipolar II disorder, waiting for my disability to case to finally come to some sort of end - who happens to be interested in this particular subject, who moderates and participates on a web site called ATS... and who truly cares about my community – including this one...

The truth is that there are people here, and elsewhere, who have far more expertise on this subject than I do. There are entire sciences and disciplines devoted to it. But I have an edge on most of them. I'm good at it. I have that natural gift... the ability to connect and to create trust and empathy with just a smile or with eye contact...

This is how I learned my skills – and how I have gained my expertise. By being a people person. And, in past years. By using it to be predatory and opportunistic.

Now, if a slightly “off” guy on the Interent can be this frank about it, and still accomplish it, imagine how insidious, dangerous, and prevalent these practices are when governments and corporations invest untold sums of money in figuring out how to trick your emotions into overpowering your reason.

Now as to whether or not you should fear me. I leave that up to you. The truth is that unless you're an attractive, single woman who happens to find yourself in the same bar as me on a Friday night, when I'm feeling particularly mischevious, you're probably pretty safe from my trying to ply my manipulation skills upon you.

You'll notice no instance of me saying that "I am such a great manipulator." - so you've misquoted me already. And nowhere did I discuss "intelligently superior to approximatly 95-98% of the population."

These are contrivances of your own mind, not mine.

Originally posted by defrost

The much more interesting question is not how/that we play others, but more how we play ourselves. But that's another story.

That is a very valid point and one that I have addressed throughout this thread.

~Heff

reply to post by r2d246


I can do it in one sentence:

Your emotions, perceptions, senses, and personal biases are used against you on a daily basis and not simply by friends, family, and advertisers, but also by the powers that be to elicit specific and predictable irrational responses from you.

~Heff

OP sounds a lot like my ex boyfriend. HA..

P.S. This thread is an obvious attention-grab and really smells of over-all control freakism.

reply to post by sinza


Nope. If you were an ex of mine, your post would have been a LOT more more angry and bitter!

And it would likely have been posted by an attorney too.




~Heff

ETA: Truthfully if I wanted attention I'd just film venus or an airplane from my back deck, post it as an "OMG A UFO" thread - and then spend the next four weeks ad homing all of the folks who tried to tell me what it actually was - and collect about 400 flags in the process. ;P

on your Expose'


but i would rate Barack ØBAMA as a quintessential manipulator... his whole reason for existence is to spin the reality around himself...

You on the other hand only employ a modicum of spin, and only in small doses to augment the 'story' being presented. You have other priorities which are more important and less life comsuming than manipulation or constant social engineering of those in your 'web'

I stopped reading after the thread title.

Manipulate that.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I said your name backwards three times... are you still there? Just testing a theory!





( can't find the code for the wavy emoticon. )

Originally posted by Hefficide
You'll notice no instance of me saying that "I am such a great manipulator." - so you've misquoted me already. And nowhere did I discuss "intelligently superior to approximatly 95-98% of the population."

These are contrivances of your own mind, not mine.

I am aware of that. I didn't misquote you, just mirrored my perception. So while you state I would have misquoted you, you mirror me your perception of my perception (of your perception).

I just wanted to focus on something called "interdependence" or interaction. You cannot manipulate me without being manipulated by myself. Same other way around. So you are dependent on my (and everyone elses') actions as well as I am on yours. Afterwards you can have the feeling "Yeah, I manipulated him." while I can have the same. The question is: Who is right?

My answer is "Neither and both". And meanwhile I got the feeling that your "whatever intention lays ground"-thread becomes into a battlefield where you are invited to defend yourself. It's a death-spiral, so it might be helpful - at least for me - what your thread is all about? What do you want to achieve for yourself with your postings here? (And yeah, I am convinced that every human action is solely egoistic. Including for this post )

And now that I have Willing yet with great Humility laid myself Bear Once again, As I have many times. I would greatly Appreciate any Aid that one or Many may offer My One Nation, and My Household; At the very least those that I Hold Dear or rather the Closest to my Face. In my Book I have many names. Some belong to me while others do not. While I still have no Real earthly Desires I do have many Wishes and Dreams. The Clovers of my People are hard to find on my Homefront. As are the Pyramids on the Camel's back, or Perhaps at least the ones That signify Royalty. What I've done deserves No Forgiveness, though I still Fall to my knees and Beg all that will Listen. Navigation is easy Once you have located the Links in the chain and Faeries as I have. With the Master's Word I will Tear apart that which the Darkness holds within itself as every man Holds the Darkness in him. I myself have Acquired many Torches that I plan to pass on when the time[i/] is Right. For now the Clock lies to my Personal West. The One that is Us and All is more than willing to teach, but only those who are Willing, Able, and Prepared.. With this said, I do Remind One and all that I've never seen your Face, Though I know of It.. My love for you is Undying, Everlasting, and Immeasurable. I trust that my Admiral Chief of Naval Operations will Listen to my words once again. With this said, I wish all that Are available to open your hearts and Feel just as I have. Please do remember, these are my Words to speak and no One else will share my Story, for it is my own. Thank all for your Patience and Understanding.