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reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 11:42 AM by PaTommyJ
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Sumerian- Starred you for this and another in the thread. I am of similar ilk, my friend. I posted this in another thread some time ago, but I thinkk it is worth the repost:

Being a Dick Tom here in PA I see the logic in your statement, Domo. But that leads to the question: Since the representatives of the two major parties only require 2,000 signatures, what does that signify??

Is there some sort of vetting process that raises their eligibility to govern thereby lowering the need of the general public consent as qualified to govern?

My contention is this - why do we only elect (for the most part, that is) lawyers? Professional loophole locaters and circumventors who haven't the slightest clue of what they are enacting. Shouldn't we be electing Civil Engineers who know about infrastructure? Doctors and nurses who understand healthcare? Aviation and transportation experts who can evaluate transportation issues??

Lastly, I get over the top pissed every election cycle because it seems to me, an average middle class working dingbat, that these positions are nothing but rewards for the criminal, untrustwothy chocolate starfish (read: sphincter) that spends the most money during the campaign!

ETA:This was in in response to the PA voter laws and candiate registration, just to clarify. However, the sentiment stll applies...
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reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 12:42 PM by MrWendal
Every single time I read these threads and hear these talking points I want to shoot myself in the head and just call it a life.

People simply do not get it. Not at all.

Am I better off today than I was 4 years ago? No I am not.

Is that Obama's fault? Actually not really.

Let me ask this question and really think about it. Had Obama not won the election in 2004 and John McCain had won, would we be better off today?

The answer to this question is also NO! Fact is, McCain supported the bailouts. He would have done the same thing. The President does not "create jobs". The truth is, the economy tanked under Bush's watch. Obama did not help the situation, but Obama did not get all the bailouts and everything else passed on his own. The Republicans supported it as well! Obama's economic policy is a continuation of the Bush policies! McCain and Palin would have done the exact same thing. So no matter who won, we would not be better off today.

The problem is not Obama. The problem is not the Democrats. The problem is in the monetary policy and it extends through BOTH parties!

Go back and check out Mitt Romney's answers during the Republican Primary debates when asked if he would have bailed out xyz... he said YES!! He said it was the "right thing to do" for the exception of the auto industry bailout. So how is that any different??

Edit to add: Really think about this for a minute.... In 2004 after the Bush Administration disaster (and make no mistake about it, Bush was a disaster) ,voters were so pissed off and put all the blame on Republicans. We would have voted in ANY Democrat. You could have took a picture of Mickey Mouse, slapped a Democrat banner over his head and he would have beat ANY Republican who ran. Voters simply blamed the Republican Party. Here we are 4 years later, and we are doing the EXACT same thing, only this time we are blaming Obama and the Democrats. So instead of learning from our mistakes we will vote in ANY Republican because many voters have the mindset of "Anyone BUT Obama" and this way of thinking is OUR mistake. It has to stop or nothing will ever change.

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reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 12:57 PM by Gridrebel
Originally posted by xuenchen
America Buckling Under Weight Of Obama’s Failed Presidency…

This opinion article by Ulsterman tells it like it is.

With all the recent diversions, we tend to "forget" what has really happened !!

The voters will not forget however when they hit the polls.

Things like lost jobs and weak jobs will be the deciding factors.

Many people currently on "assistance" are not satisfied.

They want the jobs back, not the chickenfeed help.

You can't hide from the Sun as they say.

Is America better off than it was four years ago? Boston Herald columnist Jennifer Braceras makes it clear – absolutely NOT.... Easy question, easier answer
America not better off under Obama


Obama supporters understand this. They know that if this election is a referendum on whether we are today better off, the president will lose.

So for months, they ignored the question. Instead, Obama supporters attacked Bain Capital, mocked Ann Romney’s dressage hobby and accused Mitt Romney of being a felon.

When these divisive and deceptive tactics failed, they shifted strategy and rewrote the question:

“Are you better off today than if Barack Obama had not become president?”



Is America better off than it was four years ago?

How 'bout YOU ?





It amazes me how the Obama admin is stating they have created 4 million jobs. I just can't get over the falsification of it all. What a sad situation that people who couldn't buy homes previously, now can ......because the houses are in bankruptcy or forclosure.


reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 01:57 PM by jtma508
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Untrue. It has nothing to do with 'how great' Obama is or isn't. It's more about the degree to which people actually understand the underlying economy. The GOP will do everything in their power to convince people things are not improving and it's Obama's fault. They will gloss-over and ignore any data that condradicts that POV. Go to the BLS data. Look at business creation and failure rates from around 2007 until the latest data. If you have half a brain you will see that things ARE getting better. Fast enough to please everyone? Of course not because the underlying mechanics are NOT limited to just the U.S. We are affected significantly by the GLOBAL economy. Neither Obama, McCain, Romney or anyone else can fix that from D.C.

People are largely ignorant, polarized parrots. And for that reason we ARE doomed.

I can state as an absolute fact that 90%+ of my colleagues, friends and family are doing significantly better now than 4yrs ago. Significantly better. Did I vote for Obama? No. Will I vote for Obama? No. Gary Johnson all the way.
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reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 02:04 PM by Gridrebel
Originally posted by jtma508
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post by Gridrebel



Untrue. It has nothing to do with 'how great' Obama is or isn't. It's more about the degree to which people actually understand the underlying economy. The GOP will do everything in their power to convince people things are not improving and it's Obama's fault. They will gloss-over and ignore any data that condradicts that POV. Go to the BLS data. Look at business creation and failure rates from around 2007 until the latest data. If you have half a brain you will see that things ARE getting better. Fast enough to please everyone? Of course not because the underlying mechanics are NOT limited to just the U.S. We are affected significantly by the GLOBAL economy. Neither Obama, McCain, Romney or anyone else can fix that from D.C.

People are largely ignorant, polarized parrots. And for that reason we ARE doomed.

I can state as an absolute fact that 90%+ of my colleagues, friends and family are doing significantly better now than 4yrs ago. Significantly better. Did I vote for Obama? No. Will I vote for Obama? No. Gary Johnson all the way.
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Uhhhh, okay, why don't you tell us how good the economy is today!


reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 02:09 PM by Gridrebel
Originally posted by Gridrebel
Originally posted by jtma508
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post by Gridrebel



Untrue. It has nothing to do with 'how great' Obama is or isn't. It's more about the degree to which people actually understand the underlying economy. The GOP will do everything in their power to convince people things are not improving and it's Obama's fault. They will gloss-over and ignore any data that condradicts that POV. Go to the BLS data. Look at business creation and failure rates from around 2007 until the latest data. If you have half a brain you will see that things ARE getting better. Fast enough to please everyone? Of course not because the underlying mechanics are NOT limited to just the U.S. We are affected significantly by the GLOBAL economy. Neither Obama, McCain, Romney or anyone else can fix that from D.C.

People are largely ignorant, polarized parrots. And for that reason we ARE doomed.

I can state as an absolute fact that 90%+ of my colleagues, friends and family are doing significantly better now than 4yrs ago. Significantly better. Did I vote for Obama? No. Will I vote for Obama? No. Gary Johnson all the way.
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Uhhhh, okay, why don't you tell us how good the economy is today!


ANYONE?????? I would really like to hear how great it is in the USA...right NOW! All I hear is how bad it is. And yet, some seem to keep blaming the previous administration. Can we please approach the "now" generation?


reply posted on 21-9-2012 @ 02:18 PM by jtma508
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No one said the economy was good. Don't be a troll. The point I made and what the available data supports is that the economy has been steadily improving. Keep in mind, oh ye of infinitessimally short memory, a bunch of well-connected, Wall Street banksters tanked virtually the entire GLOBAL economy back in 2007 (either as part of a sinister comspiracy or because they're simply greedy asshats that let things get out-of-control). No one --- not even Mittens of the Majik Underpants --- is going to throw some majical switch and make things all 2000 again (economic peak) Things have been on the decline since right after Bush v2.0 was sworn in. That's a fact, jack.
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