Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by lethalized
Okay, so maybe you do know some things. Good to see you know the sabbath is not sunday. Good to see you know about the holidays that were ALREADY
mentioned. Just one question. Why do you accept some but not all truth, but half?
Let me guess, you're an SDA? Sunday sabbath is the mark of the Beast huh? :shk:, well then that makes you a Saturn worshipper because you worship on
Saturn-day. Gotta love that SDA circular logic. I'll give you a hint, hebrew days began at dusk as the moon was rising, the sabbath was tied to
certain phases of the moon, not particular days of the week. Thats why they needed 2 reliable witnesses to see the moon and determine when sabbath
was. You're rolling with the gregorian calendar, not the hebrew calendar. Even the hebrew calendar has been off for 1900 years as the leap years were
based on wether or not the wheat was Abib so you got about 1900 years worh of missed leap years to make up for which is impossible to know now. So in
otherwords, we're all on faith now, that's the entire point for the destruction of the second temple, now we worship in spirit and in truth, not
based on trivial things man can corrupt the way the Feastdays were corrupted.
I love you!
I knew there was something off about the Sabbath that SDA and SDR(Seventh-day Remnant) keep to, but I didn't know exactly what it was.
I have found that the SDA and the SDR are very intelligent, however, far too legalistic and yet still I have noticed in their teachings that they are
really wrong (such as their ideas concerning wine, which can quickly be disproven; which makes me wonder how in the world, being so thorough and
intelligent with research, how can they miss such a very simple thing and make a mistake of it - among other things??)
But because of this post, you had me dive further into it. In fact, I am astounded that I was not wise enough to discern this stuff on my own. But
what can we do on our own? For all things belong to God! So what can I do except seek and wait for Him to give me wisdom?
That being said, you have done an excellent service here.
You have not only allowed me to release guilt over not being able to follow the Sabbath according to SDA/SDR teachings (which I have known to be far
too legalistic, but I desire wholly to obey the commandments of God, so I found myself in a HUGE FIX of conscience).
But then there are a few other things.
John the Revelator was in the Spirit on the Lord's day.
Now some say that Revelations was not written until 70 AD. However, Preterists believe that most of Revelations covers the events of 70 AD (which I
do not completely agree with). And they believe that the writings obviously had to occur earlier...
But point being, if the Jews adopted the seven-day string instead of considering the new moon a day of rest to itself and not counting it in the days
of the months until after the captivity of Babylon; this still took place many hundreds of years before Jesus Christ arrived. So regardless of
whether John the Revelator was in the Spirit on the Lord's day before or after the events of 70 AD seems pointless. If the Jews adopted that
seven-day string from Babylonian captivity, and the Sabbath was still discussed by Jesus Christ - insofar that when He performed works on the Sabbath,
the Pharisees sought to condemn Him for it - but He did not say, "Today is not actually the Sabbath" - He simply said that it is lawful to do well
on the Sabbath. And then when John is in the Spirit on the Lord's day, that is also the Sabbath. So then, where is the line here? Because it would
not be discussed in Revelations at all if the Sabbath was not still important - that John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day.
Here is a link which I found very useful after doing some research after your post, which I love.
Supports your statement
Based on Genesis 1:14 the moon phase system is reasonable for any agrarian
or collective community. But the primary law that governs Sabbath keeping is
Moses Law: a seventh-day rest can only be after six working days. If we can
identify the meaning of seventh-day sabbaths in this way, Sabbath keeping in
modern settings can be directly applied to any individual’s own timing system,
(no more tied to traditional calendars).
Everyone should go to that link. It is a lesson in learning, too.
Point being, the Sabbath is STILL a commandment. But the manner in which we keep it cannot be so legalistic because of the society we are in
But God will make a New Heaven and a New Earth and then there will be TRUE REST!
Being where I am now, there was no hope in resting on the Sabbath... there has only been hell where I live now. There is no rest here, Sabbath or
lonesome-- thank you very much.
But RCC does claim sunday as their mark. Please look it up.