Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by 2012newstart
It seems you are making a couple of assumptions that have me curious (No, not the "it's safe to dunk them in water, assumption" (Although, if you
want I'll tell you about my experience with a one-pound can of metallic Sodium.))
First, do we know that they need baptism and salvation? Perhaps they made the right choice in whatever their Garden of Eden was. They may not be
fallen creatures, as we are.
Second, if they are fallen, how do we know what provisions God has made for their redemption? We know baptism is important for us, but is it for
Honestly? I would rather greet them with a sign that says "Go away, we are a sinful and violent people. Do not let us infect you."
We could only humbly guess what God's plans are. What if Adam and Eve didn't eat that fruit, so to speak? Will Jesus come again? There is much
dispute within the christian theology. I prefer the view He would come anyway, because He is anyway the Son of God and wants to give us Divine
resurrected life beyond what Adam and Eve had naturally. Would He die then? I don't know. But the history is what it is, and He already died once and
for all. And let me guess He didn't die only for the most ungrateful people that appear to be on this planet, but once for all the creatures
everywhere in the Universe. For whoever deems it necessary to get united to the only begotten Son of God. Of course it is a conscious choice, nothing
can be done forcefully. I don't know how many of Them are fallen and whether they want to repent, or how many of them are not fallen, i.e. something
like the state of Adam and Eve before the fall. Still they may want to encounter the Son of God, much more than us, both fallen and unwilling to get
up for 20 centuries.
The wording in the Gospels in Greek when Jesus sends apostles to the end of the world, could mean everything. In fact it meant Universe, because the
Greek understood - "everything" inside. The world they knew was limited and enlarged throughout centuries - Columbus etc. And today it is quite
large beyond the planet Earth. Marck 16 the end uses in Greek the word Cosmos (in inclination). So there is a clear mandate from Jesus given before
His Ascencion, to go to the ends of the Universe, or Cosmos. Not the translation tricks, but the essence of that mandate is what matters. What did
Jesus mean by that - the 5 continents not know yet, or much more. After al, he also left the earth. And if he went to heaven, Enoch and Elijah did not
- could not, being not resurrected. They are on other planets.
I guess a problem will arise from Christian churches because they will see the matter in their hands solely. But the history on earth shows for many
peoples when the Christianity reached them, only few of the elite accepted it first until a community of believers formed in time, being only baptized
without other sacraments. And only then a bishop was sent to them to confirm the already existing Christian community.
Every Christian regardless of the different Churches has the right to give baptism in exceptional situations, although here n Earth later it should
enter the registry of the local parish...I consider exceptional situation if I go on board a ship to another planet, and if they want to enter in
union with Jesus Christ's Divine life thru baptism. I will not wait for a permission from Earth that may be delayed due to issues of transportation,
communication, or simply human error - delayed for centuries in theological disputes should the ET be given baptism and other sacraments. The life is
going on, and I am ready to do my part while still in my own lifespan. The next generations of the Church may decide how exactly they will formulate
it from theological point of view.
I write all that for two reasons:
First, the ET who reportedly have 200 races already present on Earth, read here. Let they know there are people ready for that. Because frankly that
is the greatest gift the ET could ever take from Earth. Not gold, not other metals or oil, not human organs as some paint the picture in dark. It is
the Divine presence.
Second, I want to encourage other devote people who might have not realized how powerful we are, and who might be ready for the same.
And third, of course I'd like to see more activity and more clear position on the part of the main churches. I mentioned Fr Funes the chief Vatican
astronomer for a purpose, because he is one of the few who speaks of ET in public (see youtube). Many do not believe, and for many that is an area of
negativity or demonic and therefore taboo to speak before people. Let go out of that frame and accept 21st century reality. That there are besides the
spirits angels and devils, also ET who might be polarized, as we humans are. Perhaps we have only 90 days to make our minds for that!