Democrats: The party of Government

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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Are you going to vote for this?





posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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No one in their right mind would vote for Obama.

OR this guy:







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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Nope, but not because of some propaganda video. I'm not voting for Obama or Democrats this year because I have come to realize they are the same as Republicans. Can you provide some links that illustrate how Republicans are any better than Democrats? Like voting records, campaign donations etc? I think you'll find that it stops being a mirrored image only when it comes to social issues such as abortion, women's and minority's rights etc...



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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ignore propaganda video.
To answer the actual thread title:

Are democrats the party of government? Yes...both partys are.
Government can be a good thing, if functioning properly. What the video you point out shows is broken aspects of government.
Government of, by, and for the people. We elect and eject them. We get the government we deserve and every 2 years, we have a bloodless revolution. The problem is, we are broken..we are without consensus.

Lets take some examples of the propaganda video you have put down:

1) Transparency. Actually I agree here. Obama has failed in his idealistic promise of making glass house transparency of washington. There is not much defending here and he needs to answer for this. Comparatively.

2) Healthcare. This was a weird promise to begin with. Short sighted...cspan discussions and negotiations? that only invites people to do absolutely nothing except cater to the camera verses actually talk. No opposition would want to be on camera seen talking and negotiating...I mean, yes, back in almost any other administration since the dawning of the republic, it was seen as statesmenlike to negotiate and deal with the other side..but the right is now fully compromised. Anyhow, it happened the only way it could..shut the cameras off and you snip away the posing by the opposition..and a chance of actual discussions. This was a good decision for Obama..the initial idea was stupid to turn legislation into a reality tv program.

3) Universal healthcare concepts..ahh, the single payer system...popular with almost 80% of the public...and shot down by the right. -sighs-. Well, one day we will grow up and join most of the world and raise our health care systems integrity. Until then, the best we can do is basically just tell everyone to get insurance (mandate). This is not a failure on Obama, this was a denial by the opposition party.

4) Half a trillion out of medicare: Of waste. And incidently, this was a page directly lifted from the Paul Ryan plan for medicare. non issue. This removed excess spending to insurance..aka, it is corrupt money. This is a bold faced lie to say it came directly out of the health care of medicare when it actually was trimming the fat for savings
aka, this was fiscal conservativism at work...the right is now rallying -against- fiscal conservatism..they demand fat, they demand waste. keep this argument though, it amuses me when "fiscal conservatives" scream at someone cutting waste from programs.


5) Premiums. Lets see a wider picture first to understand this

Although the mandate has yet to kick in (the thing thats meant to bring the cost down), you can see a very tiny slowdown right around 2009/10. This demonstrates a willing slowdown by the insurance companys. However, the bigger picture that this graph doesn't show is that with laws already in place, people with pre-existing conditions are now on insurance, millions of new people now currently covered, not to mention the young adults still covered by mom and dads plan.

6) Single payer system again. And again, shot down by the opposition...for reasons unknown. I guess we need to keep people health in this nation a commodity for profit verses a staplemark of the greatness this country can offer. America proving that it is -not- the "greatest" nation. in regards to healthcare...we barely get a passing mark...that not even good. You can look at repubs for this one. The argument here is a desire for single payer...the left and independents like this plan.

7) Its a tax: Only if you choose not to be covered under healthcare and can afford it.

I am stopping here (halfway) because videos like this are trying to create a narrative without any actual context. you can pick words from a bible and make it seem like jesus loves murdering people.

Here is the simple facts for you ops:
=The internet works. people can (and do) research the actual context. This is something the right is unaware of, which is weird, because they figured out how to make youtube videos
=The alternative to the broken promises is a promise to make the intent of broken promises worse...aka, vote for a weak god or a strong devil.
= Obama is constantly polling ahead of Romney in swing states according to conservative blogs...because the right is focused on Obama's broken promises..but have only opposite direction to initial promises to begin with..people will hear of a broken promise, but then ask what the other guy is offering...and this is the final result:

People would rather have 4 more years of Obama's broken promises, than 4 years of Romney's kept promises.

Its not enough to destroy one sides message..you must have your own message..tearing down is easy..but the right has yet to build anything.

oh well, 2016 is up for grabs.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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People would rather have 4 more years of Obama's broken promises, than 4 years of Romney's kept promises.


Nail on the head!

I will not be voting for either, but at least we know what we're gonna get with Obama. Romney has no plan...for any issue and I'm afraid to let give him the presidency without knowing what he wants to do.

He says a lot of things, but you can't believe him....just like Obama.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Nope, but not because of some propaganda video. I'm not voting for Obama or Democrats this year because I have come to realize they are the same as Republicans.


It is a strategy (used by both sides) to disenfranchise voters. If you can't win over the oppositions base, then make them feel both are the same and people just can't be bothered to go vote. That is just as important as gaining a independent.

Are you sure both parties are the same? Have you looked at the greater picture going on here? You spend your time on redstate.com...erm, I mean ats.com for your information, and no doubt the half truths and hacks around here will cloud your vision a bit. Its important as a independently minded person to notice things for what they are, and who is trying to stop you from voting if they cannot win your vote.

Here is one great reason to vote for a D
33 states have or is pusing for voter id laws. 11% of legal citizens do not have government ID (about 20m people).
Voter fraud under the bush administration (5 year study).
196 million votes, 86 found fraudulant.
that is .00004% of voter fraud nationwide.

Of the 33 states, 32 were proposed by republican legislators, passed by republican controlled state houses, then stamped for approval by republican governors.

The target is actually quite simple not to resolve a problem, but to stop certain people from voting:


When a political party is united in stopping legitiment citizens from voting, the very founding principle of our country, then that country is literally trying to destroy this country.

Don't want to vote Obama because of some failed promises? fair enough.
But it is the duty of every American, Especially actual republicans, to vote against those whom would destroy the basic right of the people for power.

Don't vote for Obama..thats fine. But make sure to vote against the infiltrators whom currently have stabbed the once honorable party of Abraham Lincoln right in the back. These Rino's must be shown to the door. Fight Facism.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I will not be voting for either, but at least we know what we're gonna get with Obama.


Oh, we know what we would get with Romney.
Follow what Koch wants, that is the fingers behind all the puppets to the right in the last few years.

Some retort that Soros controls Obama, so it is equal...its not. Koch brothers can bankroll Soros with change under their mattress.

This is a corporate takeover of America..33% are fighting for, 33% are fighting against, and the last 34% are either too bored, lazy, unaware, confused, or scared to see what is going on.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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I won't be held prisoner by the two party system any longer. I am voting, just not for a D or R. The voter rights infringement is terrible and unconstitutional as is the war on women but at the end of the day I believe that they are issues designed to keep us polarized. I believe that having more Party's will keep both on their toes. If the GOP had to also argue this voter ID nonsense to a larger Independent/Green/Socialist/Libertarian etc... voter base and candidates what would they say?

Ultimately I think the greatest threat to our country is Corporate control and the increasing police state. Obama is fighting a ruling that declared portions of the NDAA unconstitutional, he is promoting in a hush hush way (Congress can't even see any documentation), The TPP which is NAFTA to the nth degree. Democrats say nothing. Both Party's have sold out to Wall Street so, no, neither get my vote... never again.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
Democrats say nothing. Both Party's have sold out to Wall Street so, no, neither get my vote... never again.


And a good stance.
It is a pity that the reality of the situation is that it is a 2 party system. The dems need a viable "tea party" equal to bring the party back to being left of center verses just a center with right influence.
I slam on the republicans alot and how they have lost their ideals and have been infiltrated, but I do also see how the left has corrupted also, trying to win votes and pass legislation has compromised their stances. It is easy to say, well, they are not as bad as the other guy, but I don't like comparing with the worst when we are meant to be striving for the best.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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It goes without saying that the DNP and the GOP are not all that different. Obama history on transparency is not all that different from many other past US presidents in recent times.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Will I vote for him? Absolutely Romney isn’t even a choice not for anyone with an IQ worth mentioning.

Romney's plan for this country will not work if you don’t believe me check the thread in my signature.
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