posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 12:45 PM
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
There are 4 resurrections, the first resurrection took place when Yeshua rose from the grave, in which those who believed the Savior
would come were raised up that same day with him (the firstfruits) and this is recorded as people in Jerusalem saw the dead walking around and
conversing with those who were alive and their relatives. The second resurrection comes in the harpazo (rapture) . . .
[color=DarkSlateGray]..Looking at the one place in the New Testament that describes a rapture (underlined), it says God will be bringing the
people who had previously died in Christ along with Him to this event.
. . . God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep as Christians. For we tell you this by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who
are left until the coming of the Lord, will surely not go ahead of those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with
a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who
are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the
[color=DarkSlateGray]..My interpretation sees this section of 1 Thess. as a combination of at least one other pre-existing tradition current
at the time, with Paul's newer version which makes it distinctly Christian.
[color=DarkSlateGray]..The part that would have been traditional is about a resurrection with the "trumpet of God" and the summons, "the voice
of the archangel" to judgment. The important thing I am trying to highlight is how that resurrection event could be independent from the "rapture"
event. One way to think of it and something easy for me considering my Seventh Day Adventist background, is that those previously dead people who are
described as being with Christ had already passed through judgment and are awaiting the living to be brought up to face the same thing, then to join
[color=DarkSlateGray]..So what I see is Paul taking into account the presupposition in the mind of his hearers, of a traditional "Last Day"
and saying it is a mystical event on another level of existence beyond or view here on earth, and in a way those who have passed are just as alive as
we are, or maybe more, because they are already now what we will become, in some hypothetical future time which may not ever actually happen in this
world since it is not so essential seeing how everyone is fated to die through one way or another in this life in this world in its current condition.
edit on 21-9-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19